Late game Min/maxing class race list

[Taminy]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ye anyone who says warrior stun immunity doesnt matter on warriors has never played a warrior period. that being said i dont min/max so my warriors arent ogre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While xp grouping frontal stun immunity is important. On bosses it isn't.

[Jimjam]

SK: nope
Pally: maybe later
Warrior: halfling
Bard: nope
Rogue: halfling
Monk: nope
Shaman: barb female
Wizard: nope
Magician: nope
Enchanter: nope
Ranger: maybe later
Druid: halfling
Necro: nope
Cleric: halfling

[Forsale]

imho:

SK: Ogre
Pally: Dwarf as tank / High Elf as group healer
Warrior: Ogre
Bard: Human (only bard race able to wear robes)
Rogue: Human (best rogue race able to wear robes)
Monk: Iksar
Shaman: Ogre solo / Iksar in group/raid (regen + only bard race able to wear robes)
Wizard: Erudite
Magician: Erudite
Enchanter: High Elf (High base CHA)
Ranger: Human (only ranger race able to wear robes)
Druid: Human (only druid race able to wear robes)
Necro: Iksar
Cleric: High Elf (high base CHA/WIS + robes!)

[Orruar]

Shaman: Troll

The same 2-3 people are always here talking up ogre stun immunity for shaman, but they don't know what they're doing. They are the kind of shaman that probably still uses JBB click spam at level 60.

[Bohab]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ye anyone who says warrior stun immunity doesnt matter on warriors has never played a warrior period. that being said i dont min/max so my warriors arent ogre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What an ignorant statement... I've played a MT warrior on this server for almost 2 years now. I've tanked EVERYTHING (excluding VP). I have no trouble what so ever with aggro, positioning, and moving with the push while not having frontal stun immunity. Even just clearing trash or xp groups it makes zero difference. Stop spreading false information.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also frontal stun immunity is def good for war. cant gain agro when stunned. try playing a warrior sometime (non-ogre) and see how many times you are stunned in a fight.

It's only something like 5-10% less threat generation. Definitely big for red (no rechargeable clickies), not a huge game breaker in the least over on blue. Mallet, strings, sit back and lol. Dump a net every few seconds if you really want. Don't even need to turn on auto attack.

People will claim ogre is necessary for positioning, but I think it's horseshit. 1/2 the time you won't have sufficient hate to drag the thing around at your leisure because your raid force is bad, and even if you did, you're still getting summoned and all that bullshit and have to deal with that mostly retarded raid force that is afk watching youporn and just pushing the mob into retarded places.

With that said, Ogre's have by far the easiest time maxing stamina out for dem hp's. Slam is cool too sometimes. Backhandin bitches all day.

For red I'd definitely say Ogre. For blue - doesn't matter. In the Kunark era I'd say probably anything that allows you to easily max stamina (ogre, troll, etc). Certainly not iksar, but the easy road is the lame road and you can certainly make it work.

Whoever mentioned shaman: Ogre 100%. Stun immunity can be huge when trying to get off a spell with several mobs on you. If you're the kind of person to root rot a mob at a time regen may be more useful, if you're a a swat team motherfucker and kicking down doors and shit Ogre all the way.

[Forsale]

Originally Posted by Bohab [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What an ignorant statement... I've played a MT warrior on this server for almost 2 years now. I've tanked EVERYTHING (excluding VP). I have no trouble what so ever with aggro not having frontal stun immunity. Even just clearing trash or xp groups it makes zero difference. Stop spreading false information.

Nobody said it isn't possible with a non-ogre.
But stun immunity means more dps, more procs, more aggro... Question is, do you NEED it? No most of the time you don't, but if you wanna min/max, an Ogre is at the very least gonna be dealing a little more damage.
It's not rocket science.

[Bohab]

Originally Posted by Forsale [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody said it isn't possible with a non-ogre.
But stun immunity means more dps, more procs, more aggro... Question is, do you NEED it? No most of the time you don't, but if you wanna min/max, an Ogre is at the very least gonna be dealing a little more damage.
It's not rocket science.

But it really doesn't? You act as if the tank is stunned 40% of the fight and that just isn't true. It's hardly more of anything! They deal more damage? Christ I'll be sure to match the parse and see how much more dps the ogre is dishing out. This game is RNG, you're not going to see an average % of more dmg from an ogre vs another race. I just say frontal stun for a tank is horse shit. Now if we're talking stats then sure the ogre has an easy time maxing sta and slipping in raw hp gear before other races.

[SamwiseRed]

Originally Posted by Bohab [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What an ignorant statement... I've played a MT warrior on this server for almost 2 years now. I've tanked EVERYTHING (excluding VP). I have no trouble what so ever with aggro/positioning/moving with the push while not having frontal stun immunity. Even just clearing trash or xp groups it makes zero difference. Stop spreading false information.

damn you are a moron. read the OP. hell read the thread title. this is about min/maxing. nowhere did i say other races cant tank. while stunned you are not generating agro. even if its only 5-10% threat generation lost, its still threat lost. so again to answer OP, ogre warrior is the best race if you are a min/maxer. please stop being an idiot.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Bohab [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But it really doesn't? You act as if the tank is stunned 40% of the fight and that just isn't true.

By definition min/maxing is squeezing every bit of performance out - Ogre's will certainly have a slight edge on DPS/hate generation.

edit: Also, when considering min/max on a warrior I really only consider min/maxing for tanking end game bosses. It's really the only worthwhile reason to be a warrior. If you really want to min/max as a tank for groups then be an SK or paladin.