Game Mechanics: Ancient Shissar Gauntlet didn't exist til almost Velious

[wycca]

1 - No proof it's a hoax, whereas several posters discuss the transmute effect
2 - There's even discussion that the vibrating gloves from VS are MORE common than from Overking
3 - Good theory, but you offer no proof, and in fact, multiple posters in multiple threads directly counter you - did you read any of my links?

[Erati]

Originally Posted by wycca [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1 - No proof it's a hoax, whereas several posters discuss the transmute effect
2 - There's even discussion that the vibrating gloves from VS are MORE common than from Overking
3 - Good theory, but you offer no proof, and in fact, multiple posters in multiple threads directly counter you - did you read any of my links?

your proof is also solely speculation on forums, most of which is pure he said she said back channel stuff, no one with the actual gloves comes forth and talks about them...


at least mine makes sense for why it would be confused with the other gloves, it makes zero sense that VS would drop the Vibrating Gloves or Hammer and makes even less sense that the Shissar gloves would turn into Vibrating Gloves which could never be reverted back to caster gloves lol

[wycca]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

your proof is also solely speculation on forums, most of which is pure he said she said back channel stuff, no one with the actual gloves comes forth and talks about them...


at least mine makes sense for why it would be confused with the other gloves, it makes zero sense that VS would drop the Vibrating Gloves or Hammer and makes even less sense that the Shissar gloves would turn into Vibrating Gloves which could never be reverted back to caster gloves lol

Since you don't want to click links and read -

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=3582 -
Jan 19, 2001 11:22p - Anonymous -
"They are dropped off VS in KC. The pictures are different because the effect was bugged, my gaunts had the effect, transmute hammer, but i never clicked em because they then turned into a cleric hammer and then back into the cleric gloves, but never back into the orig gaunts.

I got them a long time ago, and have never heard of them dropping again. They may have been taken outta the loot table considering they are better than the majority of robes an int caster can find out there anyway."

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2386 -
2-14-01 22:38 - Post #6 by Jaldarith -
"Venril Sathir drops them more commonly than the Overking does, but the Overking CAN drop them."

https://web.archive.org/web/20001005...tersrealm.com/ -
Oct 4, 2000 Update -
"Ciid Cypher of Dark Brethren on Terris Thule recently obtained what will now be the most sought after pure caster hand gloves in the game."


While the others could be commentary, those are direct. Is it so hard to believe that verant had a clicky on 1 item that was later moved to another?

[Fael]

Kunark was released in april of 2004.

What the hell are you guys talking about? It is very very very possible that no one saw the gaunts until october.

I've been on this server for four years, farming VS for most of that time, and I've seen 1-2 gaunts per year.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kunark was released in april of 2004.

What the hell are you guys talking about? It is very very very possible that no one saw the gaunts until october.

I've been on this server for four years, farming VS for most of that time, and I've seen 1-2 gaunts per year.

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[maximum]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kunark was released in april of 2004.

Do you mean P99 Kunark? It was March, 2011. http://wiki.project1999.com/Timeline

[Erati]

Originally Posted by wycca [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since you don't want to click links and read -

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=3582 -
Jan 19, 2001 11:22p - Anonymous -
"They are dropped off VS in KC. The pictures are different because the effect was bugged, my gaunts had the effect, transmute hammer, but i never clicked em because they then turned into a cleric hammer and then back into the cleric gloves, but never back into the orig gaunts.

I got them a long time ago, and have never heard of them dropping again. They may have been taken outta the loot table considering they are better than the majority of robes an int caster can find out there anyway."

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2386 -
2-14-01 22:38 - Post #6 by Jaldarith -
"Venril Sathir drops them more commonly than the Overking does, but the Overking CAN drop them."

https://web.archive.org/web/20001005...tersrealm.com/ -
Oct 4, 2000 Update -
"Ciid Cypher of Dark Brethren on Terris Thule recently obtained what will now be the most sought after pure caster hand gloves in the game."


While the others could be commentary, those are direct. Is it so hard to believe that verant had a clicky on 1 item that was later moved to another?

I read them but again they are just people speculating shit

that is not proof whatsoever and its sad that sometimes a few randos from the year 2000 talking about items they know nothing about except second hand knowledge from other people can get our game changed.

I already clearly laid out a highly likely scenario for why there was such confusion and speculation about these two sets of gloves and where they came from. I find it odd however that most your evidence is from clerics drooling over the Vib gloves rather than any quotes of Shissar gloves transmuting and never reverting. A few players were confused at how they were suppose to work but no where any hard evidence it existed.

You have shown no:

1. patch notes saying the gloves have been removed from VS
2. patch notes saying the effect on Shissar gloves have been altered
3. lucy data showing an update in the item
4. screenshot of Shissar gloves with an effect

absolutely nothing but some noob clerics wondering where those amazing gloves come from. In fact, in your evidence some were arguing that the the VS gloves were indeed different

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?p=83371

the final poster says

The quote from the other board is inaccurate. The cleric glove/hammer item is only that. The Shissar gloves become a different item when right clicked.

So not everyone was agreeing with what the gloves actually did or how they worked.


https://web.archive.org/web/20001026...iption&Id=2025

is your best hope at evidence - Shissar gloves with listed Effect Transmute Hammer

however if you notice - its not even a screenshot and thusly cannot hold up in our court of law

Its a simple typed update, one that can easily be inaccurate, esp since Casters Realm was known to not be the epitome of accuracy



If your entire premise is banking on this guy's quote, then this is just sad. When did Jaldarith become an effcienado of loot tables?

Venril Sathir drops them more commonly than the Overking does, but the Overking CAN drop them.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2386

He not only does not put his character name or level in his signature but its a completely random dude posting on a forum- if we are to accept forum speculation as proof of anything it would hopefully come from a respectable raiding guild that knows what they are talking about. Not Randos

anyway - keep looking up more 'evidence' - VS doesnt drop Vibrating gloves and never did unless it was a short lived, undocumented bug.

[koros]

Earliest reference I could find on Alla. Doesn't exist in the Nov 10 snapshot:

Can't access SS but no reference of effect

Ancient Shissar Gauntlet: AC 15, +10 str, +10 sta, +20 int, +12 disease & poison prot. Wt. 5. Magic, lore, no drop. Classes: E, Mg, N, Wz. (Submitted by Twing)

[koros]

Another without

http://web.archive.org/web/200103020...nds/hands.htm#

But then there's stuff like this:

https://web.archive.org/web/20001210...iption&Id=2025

GOT THEM, By Ramcaster

Got the gloves, dont have the desire to click them. I recon they will turn into the cleric hammer, and then back to cleric gloves. Since I am a mage, I have no real desire to find out. Feel free to post if you have them, and have clicked them in the desire to get something better, but I seriously doubt there is such an item anywhere. And since obviously, my guild, got these for me, I wouldn't click without having a consensus on it anyways.

I have the feeling they had them for about 2 months and VI realized the mistake and removed em. Shrug, doesn't really matter anyway.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kunark was released in april of 2004.

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Originally Posted by maximum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you mean P99 Kunark? It was March, 2011. http://wiki.project1999.com/Timeline

April 24, 2000