Interesting old (but relevant) EQ web paper

[Henini]

reading this article , I couldn't help but thinking that guy never made it to 60 and probably not even to 55.
his point of views and comments are very "noobish"

2-3 days per dungeon?

c'mon there are more then 2-3 camps per dungeon first off.

you could spend a month in seb and still not have worn out the novelty of the place, cuz you go from one camp to an other, and it's so big.

sorry but 58+ doing reets and juggs, is really something the first couple of times. Even doing shroom king...

anyways...

[Rahnza]

Originally Posted by Henini [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

reading this article , I couldn't help but thinking that guy never made it to 60 and probably not even to 55.
his point of views and comments are very "noobish"

2-3 days per dungeon?

c'mon there are more then 2-3 camps per dungeon first off.

you could spend a month in seb and still not have worn out the novelty of the place, cuz you go from one camp to an other, and it's so big.

sorry but 58+ doing reets and juggs, is really something the first couple of times. Even doing shroom king...

anyways...

It's Thott haha.

[Rahnza]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My bad, didnt read your post thoroughly. Regardless, that would still kickass. Im still torn about whether beastlords should completely just go, but its whatev.

They could become relevant with some customization. Berserkers are completely hopeless.

[Henini]

Originally Posted by Rahnza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's Thott haha.

and?

anyone that says after 2-3 nights in seb there is no more to see has some serious issues.

That's the problem with kunark.

I don't care who you are or what you have done. and if you been in seb you know what I'm talking about.

[Henini]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

beastlords should completely just go

bst can slow, so they are still relevent on live today. + they do ok dps

Not that i'd ever play one, to me they just don't fit-in in EQ. but like you said, whateva

[Henini]

yes, I double posted... .wait tripple

[quellren]

Originally Posted by Henini [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and?

anyone that says after 2-3 nights in seb there is no more to see has some serious issues.

That's the problem with kunark.

I don't care who you are or what you have done. and if you been in seb you know what I'm talking about.

Since it isn't actually posted anywhere explicit:
Thott was an Officer (co leader?) of Afterlife, one of the most hardcore raid guilds on EQ. They and guilds like Fires of Heaven often claimed world firsts for many of EQ's most difficult mobs.
Most of the parsed data and theorycrafting about EQ mechanics that I've found on the net over the years comes from Thott.
Say what you want about his opinions, but the guy was anything but a 'never-made-it-to-max-level-newb'

[Henini]

I stand corrected, and I remember thott.

never the less, I stand by my opinion regarding kunark dungeons.

AND,

you can be killing dragons and gods and not have seen half the content in EQ.

you can be lvl 50 and never have set foot in a dungeon and be logging in only for raids like a lot of people do once they are max level. (or 60 or whatever the current cap is depending on erra)

and

cuz your an excelent strategist and your guild was #1 for a long time, doesn't mean you hold absolute truth over everything. you can still be wrong about stuff some times.

just like I was wrong about calling him a noob. he is wrong about kunark dungeons.

they are all much bigger then any in classic, and the ones in classic can still take a week to go and camp everything. just look at lower guk. between dead and live, you have a lil while before you have "seen it all".

solb , between kobolds/spiders/imps/fgs... don't come and tell me you camped it all in 3 days.

[Rahnza]

idk I've definitely seen 100% of the content Classic - Velious.

[quellren]

Originally Posted by Henini [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

reading this article , I couldn't help but thinking that guy never made it to 60 and probably not even to 55.
his point of views and comments are very "noobish"

2-3 days per dungeon?

c'mon there are more then 2-3 camps per dungeon first off.

you could spend a month in seb and still not have worn out the novelty of the place, cuz you go from one camp to an other, and it's so big.

sorry but 58+ doing reets and juggs, is really something the first couple of times. Even doing shroom king...

anyways...

You and Thott are kind of arguing the same thing from different points of view.

One major point of his Kunark Problem is that a player could feasibly level from 51 to 60 and never see any content other than that one dungeon. The very nature of exp grinding doesn't encourage exploration or really even doing anything other than the leveling treadmill. You pick out Sebilis, but I dont feel like Sebilis is indicative of Kunark. Karnors' is much more realistic, theres not a lot of variety in KC, its dogs, in some form, in some room, a small contingent of Undead, or the raid on VS.


I don't disagree with you that 2-3 days to 'completely use up a dungeon' may be off, but realistically, if in the example of SolB, you did Royals for 3 hours, then BnB for a while, then the next day got lucky and got in on some Fire Giants, you'd feel like you had a pretty solid handle on the place.