Camp; questions about rules

[Uaellaen]

get off my specs karsten you bitch!

[Hobby]

You guys keep adding things to what happened...its not like this guy waltz in and just sat on a spawn point.

[Throb]

Reminds me of this dumb bitch that basically jacked my priest of najena spawn because I wasn't SITTING IN THE ROOM. I politely informed her I was camping it and that's why the ph was dead, but she said because I wasn't sitting in that little pantry sized room waiting eagerly for a 55 min respawn that it was now her camp. Started being condescending and directed me to go read the camp rules, specifically line 2 of blah blah blah paragraph as if it was some sort of judiciary doctrine. I told her I'm aware of the rules and that technically I was maintaining a presence in the area and keeping the spawn dead. I was going to be a douchebag just like her, but decided to just leave instead.

I hate petty fucks like this.

[Spoonman]

Originally Posted by Bubbles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^^^

A million times this. Heck even when i'm levelling lowerguk PLing a guildie i'll gladly give up half of the undead tower camps, or if I'm on live side, I'll cough up EE or crusader or whatever.

Just ask and be civil. Nothing dumber than some level 40 shaman squatting down in an empty Sage room claiming he's suddenly gonna camp it.

I haven't even been in guk long and have seen this happen way too often. A group forms up sets up shop somewhere and begins to exp, then begin to randomly lose their mobs to some 50 who has shows up to an empty room and isn't bright enough to bother asking for a camp check (or more likely knows its camped and has simply decided its time to be an asshole). This seriously discourages grouping as why bother going through the hassle of setting up a full group when I can just solo a few mobs in a corner somewhere net similar XP gains and not have to worry about some lvl 50 showing up and ruining my xp because he wants a new hat, I'd prefer to group as it's more fun (and its why I play the game)...but the arguing with solo'ers makes me want to just log off, some people's sense of entitlement is appalling. Don't even get me started on the assholes that move in on people's camps after they've been trained and are in the midst of retrieving corpses and moving back down to break the spawn.

I've heard the "omg you can't camp 3 spawns" argument and it's beyond retarded. No one would question 6 people holding down 6 different rooms, but a group of 6 gets crucified for simply killing the crap in their immediate area for exp. Then people turn around and get shocked these groups don't want to give up their mobs....really this is difficult to understand?

I know what the rules are regarding camping on the server, I've read the post. I think Bubbles may have said it best, there's a special place in hell for people who go around conducting themselves like this.

[Alkorin]

Huh? That's ridiculous, Spoonman. You can't camp three separate (i.e. not immediate area) spawns if they're three separate spawns, and that is covered very clearly in the rules.

1. Going forward, if you intend to hold or claim a camp, your group must retain presence at that camp. If you have no competition in the zone, you are more than welcome to hold as many as you like. The moment another party wants to claim a camp and you are "farming" multiple, you must decide which camp you want and forfeit the ones someone else is interested in. We still expect players to use the courtesy camp check before zerging a room. If there is a full spawn of mobs in a camp room up I think that would be considered not camped. How you pull the camp is up to you, as long as you are able to engage the mobs very shortly after they are spawned.

Honestly, people who make a big deal about this shit are part of the problem and are generally the reason that camp drama exists. If you're holding exe/sage/cav/sav (which is common practice), and someone shows up to claim one of them that you aren't sitting at, why on earth would that be unfair?

That being said, if someone asks for a CC and sits down to camp one of your previously-cleared camps anyway, without talking to you about it, they're still in the wrong. Has nothing to do with the rules... it's just plain uncivilized.

[freakyuno]

Originally Posted by Alkorin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh? That's ridiculous, Spoonman. You can't camp three separate (i.e. not immediate area) spawns if they're three separate spawns, and that is covered very clearly in the rules.

I think whats in question would be "immediate area".

Technically, each and every spawn is an individual spawn. Meaning, that even in a single room, someone could "claim" they are camping a single spawn spot, and be required to give other spawn spots in the same room to others. The point others in this thread are trying to make, is common sense, and decency. Obviously a "room" is a "room" and campable, with 1 spawn, or 20 in it.

In the case of the specs, what constitues immediate area? Each tiny little cave spot? The entire cave "system"? In OOT what counts? A cardinal side of the island, the whole island?

Just be decent to each other, on both sides of the equation.

[Spoonman]

Originally Posted by Alkorin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh? That's ridiculous, Spoonman. You can't camp three separate (i.e. not immediate area) spawns if they're three separate spawns, and that is covered very clearly in the rules.



Honestly, people who make a big deal about this shit are part of the problem and are generally the reason that camp drama exists. If you're holding exe/sage/cav/sav (which is common practice), and someone shows up to claim one of them that you aren't sitting at, why on earth would that be unfair?

That being said, if someone asks for a CC and sits down to camp one of your previously-cleared camps anyway, without talking to you about it, they're still in the wrong. Has nothing to do with the rules... it's just plain uncivilized.

What's ridiculous about it, given the situation you've provided you have 1 group of 6 people holding down 3-4 rooms. That's what...maybe 16 spawns every 28mins or w/e guk's exact timer is, it's probably not even that many. Furthermore those spawns are pretty much all in the immediate area...you're talking about what, a 5 second run to get to any of them?

16 mobs for 6 people is less than 3 mobs a person, 1 person moving into a room all on their own and taking said room is more than 3 mobs a person. Yet the group of people are the ones being ridiculous? Nothing at all selfish/ridiculous about a single individual deciding their needs out weight that of 6 other people? After a lvl 50 moves in and takes cav, sage and sav...those 6 people are left to kill 5 mobs. Having 3 rooms taken by 1 person a pop so that a group of 6 can hang out with nothing to do shouldn't be the experience this game strives for.

Keep hiding behind the rules if you want, but the above mindset seems awfully self-involved to me.

[Cars]

I find the lower guk example the most frustrating and most common group of camps to cause drama. Each one of those rooms is in itself its own camp, "tower" is not a camp. But I am also not going to run through on my level 50 and claim a single one of those rooms if there is an exp group grinding out uncontested. But if I am level 35 and have a full group of my own and the other group doesnt think its going to be sharing camps thats a different story especially if every other camp in the zone is spoken for. Obviously a little common sense goes a long way in camp situations but P99 doesn't have the comraderie amongst players that Live had and it shows most on the raiding and item camping scene as no one wants to share ever. The mentality of most players seems like they dont give a fuck about players that our going through the exact same thing they are, they just want to xp or get loot at maximum efficiency and if someone is going to get in the way of that (even if there goal is the same) then they can fuck themselves. Comraderie doesn't exist amongst players so there will always be issues with camps and the rules regarding them.

[redbandit]

This got way off topic, my thing was, in any normal case, 2 people separate can camp every spec np and nobody whines about it, but if two people do it in a grp its a foul, and camping the exact same number of the same mobs in a different zone by yourself, is completely ok. That is silly. But for some reason its the rules so this post answered my question, and alot of guk questions!

[mognet]

Originally Posted by redbandit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This got way off topic, my thing was, in any normal case, 2 people separate can camp every spec np and nobody whines about it, but if two people do it in a grp its a foul, and camping the exact same number of the same mobs in a different zone by yourself, is completely ok. That is silly. But for some reason its the rules so this post answered my question, and alot of guk questions!

I think Spoonman spoke to your point, he just used Guk as a reference and got people sidetracked.

In my experience, the issue arises when there is no attempt to speak with the other players prior to just making a move, which of course is regarded as a dick move. I have no problem discussing with someone why I feel I shouldn't need to give up certain mobs to them provided I have a valid reason, but I also understand when someone else tells me there's no room/mobs for me.

Overall, the player base on this server is pretty damn good in my opinion. We just need to work on some decency with some folks.