Possibly the best mmo. Ramble about gathering

[A1rh3ad]

Ugh whatever. Metagaming is just figuring out the best way to do something outside of what they intended. Like how we all know that grinding a mob will drop something so we figure out a way to kill it most efficiency or how to make a fair system where guilds can take turns. Or what areas have the best xp so we camp it and name places ourselves as a reference despite the lacation not having a name. Ex pillar 1 2 and 3 in oasis. Maybe EC tunnel isnt a great example. I was thinking along the lines that the area was easy to get to so it became the best way to sell items and everyone was doing it strategically. The playerbase has fond the best way to do things in ways that the original devs probably never intended thus creating a player run system within the game.

[maskedmelon]

Other mmos should take note of This superior implementation.

a vein of iron or is ahead and to your left.

a vein of iron ore is ahead and to your left.

a vein of iron ore is straight ahead.

You apprehend a vein of iron ore!

You try to strike a vein of iron or, but miss!!

You strike a vein of iron ore for (6) points of extraction!!

You are blasted with rubble from a vein of iron ore for (17) points of damage!!

You are blinded.

You try to strike a vein of iron ore, but miss!!

You strike a vein of iron ore for (0) points of extraction!!

Your polished oak pickax slips from your hands.

Your feet are caught among rubble. You cannot move.

You stumble foreword. You have fallen!!

You have fallen for (327488) points of damage!!

You have fallen to your death!!

Returning to bind point.
LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by A1rh3ad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ugh whatever. Metagaming is just figuring out the best way to do something outside of what they intended. Like how we all know that grinding a mob will drop something so we figure out a way to kill it most efficiency or how to make a fair system where guilds can take turns. Or what areas have the best xp so we camp it and name places ourselves as a reference despite the lacation not having a name. Ex pillar 1 2 and 3 in oasis. Maybe EC tunnel isnt a great example. I was thinking along the lines that the area was easy to get to so it became the best way to sell items and everyone was doing it strategically. The playerbase has fond the best way to do things in ways that the original devs probably never intended thus creating a player run system within the game.

Yeah, I know I'm word-nerding out. Just hearing that meta term everywhere nowadays and something is wrong on the internets. In fact, Wikipedia says I am wrong and you are exactly right, but I still deny. FIGHT THE POWER. Apart from the term, I know what you mean and I agree. I would maybe call it 'emergent gameplay', meaning things that were not foreseen but emerge from an open ruleset in ways that surprise everyone. Like FD pulling, etc. It's an interesting feature of the EQ ruleset, how open it is, meaning there was a lot that was left uncontrolled and unexplained. It's a big part of what makes the game so great and lasting.

[A1rh3ad]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, I know I'm word-nerding out. Just hearing that meta term everywhere nowadays and something is wrong on the internets. In fact, Wikipedia says I am wrong and you are exactly right, but I still deny. FIGHT THE POWER. Apart from the term, I know what you mean and I agree. I would maybe call it 'emergent gameplay', meaning things that were not foreseen but emerge from an open ruleset in ways that surprise everyone. Like FD pulling, etc. It's an interesting feature of the EQ ruleset, how open it is, meaning there was a lot that was left uncontrolled and unexplained. It's a big part of what makes the game so great and lasting.

Understandable. The problem is you have many different platforms in which the term can be used. I believe examples of meta like in D&D is when we break character and ask another player or DM if grinding kobolds would offer sufficient exp. Well, d&d is a hard example because for the most part it is an rpg and by nature the majority of good ones at least are meta. Even grinding can be referred to as meta if you think about it.

In filmography meta can refer to a show within a show, or the show referencing itself. Maybe breaking the "4th wall" rule is meta but I'm not too sure on that.

Games like Magic the gathering, meta is building your deck in a way where you have a chance of combining the effects of different cards or having the foresight to know the opponents deck and prepare yourself accordingly. Also distracting him or her with boasts or bluffs is meta. Once again thats another hard one because a lot of the game is meta built areound a simple card game

Procedurally generated games such as rogue or diablo where you know a dungeon level is going to contain something you need because it has generated items on that level which are usually spawned together. Or knowing the layout because a chunk has loaded that always contains the same rooms. Example of loot finding would be mephisto runs. I doubt blizzard north intended people to equip their sorcs with nothing but rags and MF gear to run mephisto 24/7 but the loot finding centers around it. At least from the last time I played
WTS WTB WTT spamming I believe came from muds. We used to do it not knowing who started it in the first place.

Being a word nerd isnt a bad thing. In the end words are concepts that need to be defined in order to have a successful conversation.

[A1rh3ad]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Other mmos should take note of This superior implementation.

a vein of iron or is ahead and to your left.

a vein of iron ore is ahead and to your left.

a vein of iron ore is straight ahead.

You apprehend a vein of iron ore!

You try to strike a vein of iron or, but miss!!

You strike a vein of iron ore for (6) points of extraction!!

You are blasted with rubble from a vein of iron ore for (17) points of damage!!

You are blinded.

You try to strike a vein of iron ore, but miss!!

You strike a vein of iron ore for (0) points of extraction!!

Your polished oak pickax slips from your hands.

Your feet are caught among rubble. You cannot move.

You stumble foreword. You have fallen!!

You have fallen for (327488) points of damage!!

You have fallen to your death!!

Returning to bind point.
LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...

Lol yeah. EQ is so hardcore that even your gathering nodes fight back.

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by A1rh3ad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Understandable. The problem is you have many different platforms in which the term can be used. I believe examples of meta like in D&D is when we break character and ask another player or DM if grinding kobolds would offer sufficient exp. Well, d&d is a hard example because for the most part it is an rpg and by nature the majority of good ones at least are meta. Even grinding can be referred to as meta if you think about it.

In filmography meta can refer to a show within a show, or the show referencing itself. Maybe breaking the "4th wall" rule is meta but I'm not too sure on that.

Games like Magic the gathering, meta is building your deck in a way where you have a chance of combining the effects of different cards or having the foresight to know the opponents deck and prepare yourself accordingly. Also distracting him or her with boasts or bluffs is meta. Once again thats another hard one because a lot of the game is meta built areound a simple card game

Procedurally generated games such as rogue or diablo where you know a dungeon level is going to contain something you need because it has generated items on that level which are usually spawned together. Or knowing the layout because a chunk has loaded that always contains the same rooms. Example of loot finding would be mephisto runs. I doubt blizzard north intended people to equip their sorcs with nothing but rags and MF gear to run mephisto 24/7 but the loot finding centers around it. At least from the last time I played
WTS WTB WTT spamming I believe came from muds. We used to do it not knowing who started it in the first place.

Being a word nerd isnt a bad thing. In the end words are concepts that need to be defined in order to have a successful conversation.

Yeah the 'show within a show' is really the only thing that would meet my definition of meta. The rest are just 'being smart' and using knowledge and the game rules in an advantageous way. Nothing meta about that in my mind but yeah. EQ has a lot of MUD roots, terms like "MOB" (mobiles), etc., and I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the trading acronyms came out of that too.

[maskedmelon]

What about cyber? Meta, or Emergent Gameplay? How does a cam stream alter its position within the paradigm? What about streaming sans webcam?

What about playing dice in game, or racing other players to see who can get to a dragon the fastest?

Need moar info before these words can be properly incorporated into my lexicon.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about cyber? Meta, or Emergent Gameplay? How does a cam stream alter its position within the paradigm? What about streaming sans webcam?

What about playing dice in game, or racing other players to see who can get to a dragon the fastest?

Need moar info before these words can be properly incorporated into my lexicon.

Are you pushing the level of this conversation above everyone's heads inadvertently or are you just showing off, Melons? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[xKoopa]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah the 'show within a show' is really the only thing that would meet my definition of meta. The rest are just 'being smart' and using knowledge and the game rules in an advantageous way. Nothing meta about that in my mind but yeah. EQ has a lot of MUD roots, terms like "MOB" (mobiles), etc., and I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the trading acronyms came out of that too.

I thought mob was "monster or boss"

Are you telling me ive been wrong all these years? :/

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about cyber? Meta, or Emergent Gameplay? How does a cam stream alter its position within the paradigm? What about streaming sans webcam?

What about playing dice in game, or racing other players to see who can get to a dragon the fastest?

Need moar info before these words can be properly incorporated into my lexicon.

My opinions:

Cyber would be emergent gameplay, because it is about sex, not EQ, and uses the game mechanics itself (chat, lame emotes, removal of gear, tail flashing, etc).

I don't understand how the cam questions relate to the subject exactly, but its part of game code itself and as such I wouldn't think it could be classified as meta. Not so sure about streaming...streaming a stream would definitely be a meta-stream, but just regular streaming is just a way to view.

Playing dice in game is definitely a game within a game, but if you're using the /rand code it's just emergent gameplay. If you are privately rolling dice and telling others via chat then they or you or both are just being silly.

Racing other players is within the game and would be emergent gameplay.