Is the fun slippping away?

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by Red_Messiah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While the forums aren't a true measure of the server's collective enjoyment, it seems like there is much less of a focus on the forums for...

• Leveling advice
• Light hearted in game stories
• Player run events
• Giveaways

...and more of an emphasis on:-

• Raid lawyering
• Detailed debate about the "rules" of a particular spawn
• Powerleveling
• Injustices against a player
• MQ'ing and the consequences on people trying to do rings/epics/etc

So I ask you, is the fun slipping away from P99? Is there a bigger decision to be made if a new(er) player wants to enter the raid scene shit show? What can be done to make P99 more enjoyable again? Is it beyond the staff's powers when dozens of players all want to shit on each other without "breaking" a rule?

lol stfu op.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol stfu op.

Fade-Tree, that was rude. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Long read but I agree 100%
My eq server was never as bad at end game as it is on p99. But then again we had like 5 years of kunark and the server is hella top heavy.

I just feel like the devs here should make unclassic changes for the spirit of classic eq. I mean the raid class system is an example of an attempt at it. So at least they're aware and have made attempts to remedy some issues

I agree, some changes, if well thought out and properly implemented, could go a long way to making the end game experience much more enjoyable, and in my opinion, more classic. I'm not asking for instances or even increased spawn timers. But with how much time GM's must be spending dealing with raid lawyering (according to sirkens stream, rogean, two guild masters, and a third party "raid lawyer" even had to meet in real life to settle a dispute once... that's insane..)

Why not set up and enforce a rotation? I imagine it would be much less time out of your schedules seeing as once rotation was established, players could police it by reporting violations and gm's could raid ban guilds. Much less lawyering. Just a simple "it wasn't your turn, everyone knew it, say hi to raid ban." Hell wouldn't even have to necessarily be present as a gm at all once system was established and was being respected.

Plus, it would create a whole new end game economy. Say guilds have to kill the mobs they've signed up for, at least one every rotation. So if a guild has signed up for rotation on 3 mobs, they have to kill at least one of them every cycle of the rotation or get dropped from it. Obviously they can kill all three as they are signed up. But let's say when second mob pops, they know they won't be able to muster the requisite force in time, so they could potentially give there slot to another guild on the agreement that a player gets to go with them and get there epic piece if it drops. Or you can take our faydedar kill this month if you MQ a cleric epic to our guild, or pay our guild 100k etc. I don't know, kind of rambling, but might provide an end game play sink (something the economy badly needs), and end a lot of the raid lawyer petition questing, freeing up GM's to do other stuff with there limited time.

/rant off.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Red_Messiah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I ask you, is the fun slipping away from P99??

Stop being a collectivist.

[Whirled]

Originally Posted by Red_Messiah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Q1) So I ask you, is the fun slipping away from P99?

Q2) Is there a bigger decision to be made if a new(er) player wants to enter the raid scene shit show?

Q3)What can be done to make P99 more enjoyable again?

Q4)Is it beyond the staff's powers when dozens of players all want to shit on each other without "breaking" a rule?

A1) No, but so much could be done to improve what things have devolved to.

A2) Your wording of "raid scene shit show", sums it up in your own opinion.

A3) Countless threads of ideas, examples & pleas from the community have been made.

A4) Sadly, much like in RL, there's no law against being an A-hole. Which leaves avenues to abuse for those that find joy in spitting in others coffee.

Lots of talk about claiming to be "woke". If so many people are so knowledgeable of this community, than why such discord? Why the raid scene antics? If preventing other people from their game enjoyment is part of server rules, please show me where?
http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...34&postcount=5
http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...ighlight=Rules

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Whirled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A1) No, but so much could be done to improve what things have devolved to.

A2) Your wording of "raid scene shit show", sums it up in your own opinion.

A3) Countless threads of ideas, examples & pleas from the community have been made.

A4) Sadly, much like in RL, there's no law against being an A-hole. Which leaves avenues to abuse for those that find joy in spitting in others coffee.

Lots of talk about claiming to be "woke". If so many people are so knowledgeable of this community, than why such discord? Why the raid scene antics? If preventing other people from their game enjoyment is part of server rules, please show me where?
http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...34&postcount=5
http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...ighlight=Rules

If the devs had "listened" to the community this server would have become an even bigger shit show. Everyone has their own pet solution to all the problems of classic EQ. If you can make a better rodeo then go do it. Start your own server (there are others out there not associated with EQ EMU) and give folks the choice "to play their way." P99 makes these other attempts to improve classic eq look like amateur hour. There isn't a single one out there that has actually succeeded the way p99 does.

[titanshub]

Troll posts belong in R&F.

[Whirled]

Originally Posted by titanshub [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troll posts belong in R&F.

Well said and agree^^

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the devs had "listened" to the community this server would have become an even bigger shit show. Everyone has their own pet solution to all the problems of classic EQ. If you can make a better rodeo then go do it. Start your own server (there are others out there not associated with EQ EMU) and give folks the choice "to play their way." P99 makes these other attempts to improve classic eq look like amateur hour. There isn't a single one out there that has actually succeeded the way p99 does.

The OP's questions (or perhaps trolls questions) were answered but your black & white retort is not needed. Yes, everyone does have their own ideas of what could help and yes it is up to the few developers to do what they feel is best. But, if you feel the status quo is a perfect solution, than you are truly part of the problem. For years; others have stated over & over, it is no where near classic and the raid scene is not a perfect situation as you feel it is.

I won't lie, my stake in this is nill, but I will speak up for others that want to see fairness, cohesiveness, & a better community. I don't raid because not only do I refuse to stare at a wall, poop in a sock &/or be a chair zombie for a +1 better piece of imaginary gear, but I have much more important responsibilities to take care of on this planet.

It's real easy to come here and play posture games stating to anyone that if one doesn't like the way things are that they can take a hike; but in the end, it is the ones with that attitude and the ones that won't listen that are the real problem since they are the ones that are not community people.
Playing any game should not come down to lawyer quest. Playing a game should not come to posting page length responses back & forth to strangers that just ignore and refuse anything but the truth; that problems that are ignored, do not go away.

I'd like to think that if I met you in game that I'd happily group up, help you out, assist you in whatever way i could, but your snide attitude leaves me feeling as if you're someone I would not care to associate with. Prove me wrong and let's all build a better community.

[Dreenk317]

P99 raid scene = furthest thing from classic I've seen on this server.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Whirled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well said and agree^^



The OP's questions (or perhaps trolls questions) were answered but your black & white retort is not needed.

I stopped reading after that. You don't have to like what I say, but hardly anything (certainly most of the drivel--including yours) in this thread is "needed".

I posted it because I thought it was relevant. If you don't think so, grats you. There have been literal years of folks playing here like fools taking every possible opportunity to tell the devs how they would do a better job with anything and everything (pick a topic: raid scene? economy? classic UIs?).

The devs resistance to give in to ad hoc community solutions that compromise the original purpose of this server is exactly the reason why p99 is still essentially the only stable EQ classic experience anywhere. If you don't see the relevance of that too bad for you.