Pulling

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

how could they not be?

Originally Posted by GuyNumber1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They always have been bud

Amazing how many will try to dodge pulling. If y'all don't like pulling, dont twink a ranger and expect a rogue to do it for you.

[Ravager]

I used to group with a warrior that would face pull 8 mobs at a time and train them to camp and the enchanter would cc it all. Once the camp was split, it was easy-peasy. What do you need a monk for anyway?

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I used to group with a warrior that would face pull 8 mobs at a time and train them to camp and the enchanter would cc it all. Once the camp was split, it was easy-peasy. What do you need a monk for anyway?

My favorite thing is when you are in a group with an enchanter and the monk is intent on pulling mobs to the group single file when in actuality the group is quite capable of managing 5-8 mobs at one time. The entire group sits and waits while the monk performs his awesome pulling and splitting of mobs when it's totally not necessary. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[EQBallzz]

As a follow up to this thread I have some additional info to add. Based on in-game conversations it seems many are still confused as to what the sneak change actually did or didn't do. Some saying that sneak pulling still works some % of the time. I'm not sure where people are getting that info but I don't believe that is accurate.

I think people are confusing sneak pulling (sneak pulling mobs before aggro) with what actually did change (sneak no longer works to mem blur mobs you already aggro'd). If you haven't aggro'd mobs yet and pull a group from sneaking position..various things can happen..some of which will be similar to the way sneak pulling worked before depending on spacing, which direction mobs are facing, geometry/LOS, mob/player level etc..On the other hand if you pull mobs and FD..then sneaking with the expectation that it will clear your aggro when you stand..that no longer works. At all. Also, FD itself has a chance to mem blur (though I think it's too low on P99 compared to live) so some might be seeing that and thinking it's the sneak still working. I don't believe that is the case.

Did Juggs yesterday and was able to solo split all the Juggs using a combination of sneak pulling (rarely on initial pull) and spawn point resetting (after pull). Some of the interesting things I noticed however is that FD mem blur is definitely still working but it's very unreliable. Mobs returning to spawn point usually mem blurs but this is also somewhat spotty.

When splitting the 6 Juggs + Tolapumj in Trak's lair I witnessed numerous times where I would pull and mobs that reset would re-aggro and other times after FD a mob would not re-aggro that wasn't reset yet (FD mem blur). I even had a single Jugg split from group and the rest all reset but when I stood up and the Jugg near me didn't re-aggro but all the mobs at spawn point did re-aggro. I think this is broken and shouldn't be happening. Mobs that returned to spawn point (and are far enough away from you) should *not* re-aggro and mobs should be mem-blurring from FD at a higher rate such that when you have 2-3+ mobs aggro'd you actually have a chance to mem-blur them.

So to recap:

Sneak pulling before aggro: still sorta works depending on numerous factors (spacing, which direction mobs are facing, geometry/LOS, mob/player level etc).
Sneak pulling after aggro: no longer works to clear aggro from a FD position (no mem blur).
FD mem blur: works but is far too low of a chance making it impossible to rely on unless you have a single mob that is outside of social aggro range of others but that makes it pointless for splitting because it's already solo at that point.
Social aggro: radius of aggro has increased after change making all of the above more difficult.
Lazy aggro: seems to be working as intended and not really that relevant to the sneak pulling aspect other than the obvious..sneak won't remove you from hate list.

If anyone else has any info about their experiences with this that could be helpful. I hope the broken nature of aggro in it's current form is being looked at and will be fixed sooner rather than later. Pulling is quite a PITA atm and while I appreciate the added challenge there seems to be broken mechanics making it harder than it should be.

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by EQBallzz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a follow up to this thread I have some additional info to add. Based on in-game conversations it seems many are still confused as to what the sneak change actually did or didn't do. Some saying that sneak pulling still works some % of the time. I'm not sure where people are getting that info but I don't believe that is accurate.

I think people are confusing sneak pulling (sneak pulling mobs before aggro) with what actually did change (sneak no longer works to mem blur mobs you already aggro'd). If you haven't aggro'd mobs yet and pull a group from sneaking position..various things can happen..some of which will be similar to the way sneak pulling worked before depending on spacing, which direction mobs are facing, geometry/LOS, mob/player level etc..On the other hand if you pull mobs and FD..then sneaking with the expectation that it will clear your aggro when you stand..that no longer works. At all. Also, FD itself has a chance to mem blur (though I think it's too low on P99 compared to live) so some might be seeing that and thinking it's the sneak still working. I don't believe that is the case.

Did Juggs yesterday and was able to solo split all the Juggs using a combination of sneak pulling (rarely on initial pull) and spawn point resetting (after pull). Some of the interesting things I noticed however is that FD mem blur is definitely still working but it's very unreliable. Mobs returning to spawn point usually mem blurs but this is also somewhat spotty.

When splitting the 6 Juggs + Tolapumj in Trak's lair I witnessed numerous times where I would pull and mobs that reset would re-aggro and other times after FD a mob would not re-aggro that wasn't reset yet (FD mem blur). I even had a single Jugg split from group and the rest all reset but when I stood up and the Jugg near me didn't re-aggro but all the mobs at spawn point did re-aggro. I think this is broken and shouldn't be happening. Mobs that returned to spawn point (and are far enough away from you) should *not* re-aggro and mobs should be mem-blurring from FD at a higher rate such that when you have 2-3+ mobs aggro'd you actually have a chance to mem-blur them.

So to recap:

Sneak pulling before aggro: still sorta works depending on numerous factors (spacing, which direction mobs are facing, geometry/LOS, mob/player level etc).
Sneak pulling after aggro: no longer works to clear aggro from a FD position (no mem blur).
FD mem blur: works but is far too low of a chance making it impossible to rely on unless you have a single mob that is outside of social aggro range of others but that makes it pointless for splitting because it's already solo at that point.
Social aggro: radius of aggro has increased after change making all of the above more difficult.
Lazy aggro: seems to be working as intended and not really that relevant to the sneak pulling aspect other than the obvious..sneak won't remove you from hate list.

If anyone else has any info about their experiences with this that could be helpful. I hope the broken nature of aggro in it's current form is being looked at and will be fixed sooner rather than later. Pulling is quite a PITA atm and while I appreciate the added challenge there seems to be broken mechanics making it harder than it should be.

FD blur was not very reliable, especially on higher level mobs / raid mobs.

It was very common for /q to clear aggro which is why we would have a 2 monks or monk tagger.

Monk would pull FD flop around till tagger could range pull a single or two or 3. Monk would /q or stay down entire fight. Then pop up get reaggroed repeat.

Mobs should reset on return to spawn but a few didn't. Gating mobs return to spawn but don't reset. Don't know the mechanics though maybe gate location is not at spawn point? Think it is but not 100

[EQBallzz]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FD blur was not very reliable, especially on higher level mobs / raid mobs.

It was very common for /q to clear aggro which is why we would have a 2 monks or monk tagger.

Monk would pull FD flop around till tagger could range pull a single or two or 3. Monk would /q or stay down entire fight. Then pop up get reaggroed repeat.

Mobs should reset on return to spawn but a few didn't. Gating mobs return to spawn but don't reset. Don't know the mechanics though maybe gate location is not at spawn point? Think it is but not 100

I do remember having to /q at times. My memory of that was that it was usually due to multiple roamers or roamers near other mobs that would keep getting hate passed to them in a snowball effect that could only be fixed in a reasonable amount of time with /q.

I'm sure there were other scenarios but that's the main one I remember. It wasn't super reliable but you could repeatedly flop and eventually blur a small group of mobs. I think the more you flopped without taking dmg the higher the chance to blur? You could also reliably use spawn point to blur. It seems to not be working like that on P99. My memory could be somewhat off though. It was a long time ago.