FTE and Locking Mobs - Verina Tomb

[Foxplay]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you aren't killing a mob fast enough i have every right to steal it from you

Well killing slow and not killing at all are completely different - OP said shaman wasn't even damaging mob / was not in summon range after 3 minutes. So in this case yes I would agree, steal away, obvious stalling is obvious

[jpetrick]

Originally Posted by Foxplay [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wussies waiting to call foul and cry will only be taken advantage of from people who want to play rules lawyer all day to get people to concede mobs or camps because they dont want to deal with their toxic behavior, they deserve it. Its the wait and cry rules foul to the GM's culture that has lead the server to be a ces-pool of idiots who try to strong hand and threaten rules infractions against people to try and bully them out of camps / legitimate engages. Seriously fuck this shaman, should have kill stolen his/her stalling ass

lol

playing by server rules = toxic

got it.

[Quidello]

Some Highlights. Notice the times.

[Sun Sep 24 08:53:11 2017] Haderak tells the guild, 'they're fighting her'

[Sun Sep 24 08:53:13 2017] ---------------------------
[Sun Sep 24 08:53:13 2017] [60 Oracle] Haderak (Ogre) <Mobwai>
[Sun Sep 24 08:53:13 2017] [1 Cleric] Sindirae (Dark Elf)
[Sun Sep 24 08:53:13 2017] [ANONYMOUS] Aitiera
[Sun Sep 24 08:53:13 2017] [60 Phantasmist] Quidello (Dark Elf) <Mobwai>
[Sun Sep 24 08:53:13 2017] There are 4 players in Neriak Third Gate.

[Sun Sep 24 08:53:28 2017] Haderak tells the guild, 'someone is soloing her'

[Sun Sep 24 08:56:46 2017] Gadii says out of character, '!'
[Sun Sep 24 08:56:48 2017] Players on EverQuest:
[Sun Sep 24 08:56:48 2017] ---------------------------
[Sun Sep 24 08:56:48 2017] [52 Reaver] Gadii (Erudite) <The Second Sons>
[Sun Sep 24 08:56:48 2017] [1 Cleric] Enyr (Dark Elf)
[Sun Sep 24 08:56:48 2017] [1 Cleric] Sindirae (Dark Elf)
[Sun Sep 24 08:56:48 2017] [ANONYMOUS] Aitiera
[Sun Sep 24 08:56:48 2017] [60 Phantasmist] Quidello (Dark Elf) <Mobwai>
[Sun Sep 24 08:56:48 2017] There are 5 players in Neriak Third Gate.

[Sun Sep 24 08:56:53 2017] Aitiera says out of character, 'come get aggro'

[Sun Sep 24 09:02:24 2017] Aitiera tells you, 'I didnt want to risk damaging for summon'

[Sun Sep 24 09:02:36 2017] Aitiera tells you, 'my people were next zone over'

[Sun Sep 24 09:04:39 2017] You told Aitiera, 'if you are afraid of a summon, it means you cant kill it'

[Sun Sep 24 09:04:40 2017] Aitiera tells you, 'I could have soloed, but chose to wait because my people were almost here'

[Sun Sep 24 09:06:44 2017] Aitiera tells you, 'your force was 2 people lol. We are like'

[Sun Sep 24 09:06:47 2017] Aitiera tells you, '8?'

[Foxplay]

Originally Posted by Quidello [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some Highlights. Notice the times.

[Sun Sep 24 08:53:11 2017] Haderak tells the guild, 'they're fighting her'

[Sun Sep 24 08:53:13 2017] ---------------------------
[Sun Sep 24 08:53:13 2017] [60 Oracle] Haderak (Ogre) <Mobwai>
[Sun Sep 24 08:53:13 2017] [1 Cleric] Sindirae (Dark Elf)
[Sun Sep 24 08:53:13 2017] [ANONYMOUS] Aitiera
[Sun Sep 24 08:53:13 2017] [60 Phantasmist] Quidello (Dark Elf) <Mobwai>
[Sun Sep 24 08:53:13 2017] There are 4 players in Neriak Third Gate.

[Sun Sep 24 08:53:28 2017] Haderak tells the guild, 'someone is soloing her'

[Sun Sep 24 08:56:46 2017] Gadii says out of character, '!'
[Sun Sep 24 08:56:48 2017] Players on EverQuest:
[Sun Sep 24 08:56:48 2017] ---------------------------
[Sun Sep 24 08:56:48 2017] [52 Reaver] Gadii (Erudite) <The Second Sons>
[Sun Sep 24 08:56:48 2017] [1 Cleric] Enyr (Dark Elf)
[Sun Sep 24 08:56:48 2017] [1 Cleric] Sindirae (Dark Elf)
[Sun Sep 24 08:56:48 2017] [ANONYMOUS] Aitiera
[Sun Sep 24 08:56:48 2017] [60 Phantasmist] Quidello (Dark Elf) <Mobwai>
[Sun Sep 24 08:56:48 2017] There are 5 players in Neriak Third Gate.

[Sun Sep 24 08:56:53 2017] Aitiera says out of character, 'come get aggro'

[Sun Sep 24 09:02:24 2017] Aitiera tells you, 'I didnt want to risk damaging for summon'

[Sun Sep 24 09:02:36 2017] Aitiera tells you, 'my people were next zone over'

[Sun Sep 24 09:04:39 2017] You told Aitiera, 'if you are afraid of a summon, it means you cant kill it'

[Sun Sep 24 09:04:40 2017] Aitiera tells you, 'I could have soloed, but chose to wait because my people were almost here'

[Sun Sep 24 09:06:44 2017] Aitiera tells you, 'your force was 2 people lol. We are like'

[Sun Sep 24 09:06:47 2017] Aitiera tells you, '8?'

3 Minutes of stalling - Regardless of ability to solo or not, still stalling, should have the loot taken from them. And if that is not done, just further proof you should have kill stolen the stallers

[Foxplay]

Originally Posted by Caiu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not a raid mob no such thing as stalling sorry.

Again , lack of a clear rule or common sense rule and taking advantage of abusing something that should not be done. And in this case, should have kill stolen

[Lhancelot]

Quite frankly it's a situation where people played by the "rules" but in real context they were dicks and cheated to get loots the mob dropped by abusing the very rules.

It's hard to not have any rules of engagement on a game like this involving loots.

The problem is when individual players bend those rules to benefit their greed and deliberately screw over others knowing full well they are doing so.

Sadly, you just have to accept the fact that humans as a whole are insufferable garbage, fueled by their own greed and this greed manifests itself not only IRL but even on games involving imaginary pixellated items.

[branamil]

There should be a rule, or Verina should be considered a raid target. There's not much to prevent someone from kiting her for 30 minutes until their friends arrrive.

[Muggens]

Im with foxplay here. Sadly to my experience most peeps on blue bend their head for rulelawyers/stallers etc

[Triiz]

Worst part is, this thread will almost assuredly backfire. I'm sure a lot of people thought it was against the rules to FTE her and "stall" until their friends could get there, so I would expect to see it more often.

Originally Posted by branamil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There should be a rule, or Verina should be considered a raid target. There's not much to prevent someone from kiting her for 30 minutes until their friends arrrive.

Agreed. Not damaging her for 3 minutes is no different than kiting for 30 minutes if it's just regular server rules. Someone could kite her for 30 mins just burning Soulfire/Reaper/Wort pots if she happened to root them and do some damage. Definitely a slippery slope.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Muggens [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im with foxplay here. Sadly to my experience most peeps on blue bend their head for rulelawyers/stallers etc

Because if you don't follow the rules, you eat a ban: pretty simple. It's easy for Foxplay to advocate for rule-breaking here in the forum, but if he actually did what he's advocating in-game he'd be facing a long "time out" before long.

Whatever issues y'all have with the server rules not meeting your perfect standards, letting everyone just decide what they think is fair and make up the rules as they go along would be a lot worse.

If you don't like the rules try to get them changed (or start your own server) ... but until you do, play by them or suffer the consequences.