Game Mechanics: The Master Stamina Bug Report (2017)

[Rygar]

Damn, you sure know how to get your research Sorn. I'm jelly, teach me master! I need better hunting spots for data!

I found the drowning data interesting, if ignoring Vah Shir and Iksar data from the data set, we have this info to go off of:

STA= 70, starts drowning in 40 seconds
STA= 78, starts drowning in 50 seconds
STA= 85, starts drowning in 56 seconds
STA= 87, starts drowning in 60 seconds
STA= 96, starts drowning in 68 seconds
STA=116, starts drowning in 90 seconds
STA=150, starts drowning in 105 seconds

Based off that, I would speculate the following:
-The minimum drown time is 30 seconds
-The maximum drown time is 130 seconds (based on iksar test)
-Formula for drowning should be:

If STA =< 115, Time to Drown = (STA - 55) + 30
If STA > 115, Time to Drown = ((STA - 115) / 2) + 90
If Result < 30 seconds, then Time to Drown = 30

Roughly speaking you gain +1 second to drown timer if stamina for every stamina point above 60, but only if stamina is 120 or less. After 115 stamina you gain +1 second to drown timer for every 2 stamina points.

The formulas come out pretty close, those tests could be slightly bugged with some server tick checks or what not. Seems to be within margin of error?

If factoring in 130 second drown ceiling, that would mean ~200 stamina would be your target for maximum time to hold your breath. Additional stamina over this does nothing (kind of consistent with how have over 200 INT did near nothing for your mana pool in classic).

We can also conclude that swim skill had nothing to do with drowning, and that Iksar had a hidden racial ability to ignore STA calculation in drowning and always had max timer (Master Race status: CONFIRMED).

[Sorn]

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Damn, you sure know how to get your research Sorn. I'm jelly, teach me master! I need better hunting spots for data!

I literally asked a person in game about what they remembered of stamina when they randomly showed up to buff me and a duo buddy, and after a few minutes they dug up posts from an old google group they'd been in.

I tend to search any old forums I know have been active since classic, EX: the Lanys Multi-Community discussion board (eqasylum), Monkly Business, the Druid's Grove, EQ Clerics, archived pages of EQTC, etc. This has shown me that google groups are also a great place...they have stuff from as far back as 1987, actually, depending on the group. They are basically records of listservs. BTW, listservs are also to be found floating around the web!

I also make use of Google's 'custom time' filter, which lets me find stuff that's been around a while that would be buried under newer content otherwise. Oocities, tripod pages, etc, are going to be pretty old content. If you can't tell if it's been updated, just plug the page into archive.org to see how far back the snapshots go.

[Senn]

Originally Posted by Sorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I literally asked a person in game about what they remembered of stamina when they randomly showed up to buff me and a duo buddy, and after a few minutes they dug up posts from an old google group they'd been in.

Or was it random =)

It wasn't a Google group I was in, I don't even think Google existed back then, but NNTP newsgroups was where all the information was (remember, this was '98 and '99). Any and all information about the game could be found in alt.games.everquest, thankfully, Google seem to aggregate them all and present the data to us.

But I did warn you, if my swimming skills suffer, I'll have to hunt you down and hurt you =)

[Sorn]

Originally Posted by Senn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or was it random =)

It wasn't a Google group I was in, I don't even think Google existed back then, but NNTP newsgroups was where all the information was (remember, this was '98 and '99). Any and all information about the game could be found in alt.games.everquest, thankfully, Google seem to aggregate them all and present the data to us.

But I did warn you, if my swimming skills suffer, I'll have to hunt you down and hurt you =)

I WAS PROTECTING YOUR IDENTITY get out of here

BTW apparently nothing happens when you run out of stamina while swimming...so I think you're okay.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Izmael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mained a dwarf rogue back in 2000-2002 and honestly can't remember a single time I'd ask for a stamina buff or zing or whatever. Velious mobs or otherwise. Granted, after 15 years your brain is fried.

The only time I remember it mattering is "too fatigued to jump".

I'd be glad if it played a role on P99 however, the more complex the game at this point, the better.

I too mained a Dwarf Rogue, and I remember requesting Acumen in groups and raids to off-set the effects of Stamina drain before the Endurance revamp.

[Izmael]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I too mained a Dwarf Rogue, and I remember requesting Acumen in groups and raids to off-set the effects of Stamina drain before the Endurance revamp.

Was it pre Kunark? I started playing when Kunark was out already.

Edit: nevermind, Acumen is a Kunark spell. Oh well.

[Tecmos Deception]

So many awesome classic mechanics.

[blueberrysushi]

I found a video showing someone playing through the tutorial and there is a spot near the end where the Fatigue mechanic is described to you. Here is a transcription of what is said:

"See the Yellow Bar beneath your Hit Point Bar and Mana Bar in the top right corner of your screen? This bar is called the Fatigue Bar and represents how rested you are. Because it is full now, you are not fatigued. By performing strenuous tasks, such as fighting, you will become more fatigued and the Yellow Bar will begin to empty.

When your Yellow Fatigue Bar is low, you will suffer penalties to your statistics, such as Agility. You will become slower and less effective. Your Fatigue will disappear with time if you cease any strenuous activity. If you are hungry or thirsty and out of food or water, you will remain Fatigued. It is important to have a good supply of food and water, so when you become Fatigued after combat, you do not remain sluggish for long."

Link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l93daYpKY8&t=476s