Apologists of Capitalism

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What were those people doing before? Acting less advanced than Jane Goodall's chimps? The chinese were in worse poverty before they started assembling my iPhone

thanks and God bless

texans arent advanced either they should be slaves

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[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The end of History theory:

1) Capitalism is the most advanced system in the world. All the most powerful countries are capitalist.

2) Therefore, no other system can ever be as good as capitalism. Capitalism is the best we will ever have.

Marx himself acknowledged number 1. He was simply theorizing about what comes after capitalism (never came). I don't understand what kind of retard buys into number 2. Talk about hubris. This theory is invariably linked with a misunderstanding of Marx and the different contexts of communism.

Communism is supposed to happen after Capitalism in a country like America or Germany. It is supposed to be the most advanced system after capitalism, in the most advanced country. Later on, some guy named Lenin in Russia came up with the idea of starting a totalitarian government to try to get to Communism by skipping Capitalism. This was not necessarily an idea that couldn't work -- but it never did. It is associated with lots of dead bodies. Enter our American Misinformation media masters to constantly force feed us about the horrors of Communism (even though it was really Communism, and it was working better that what came before).

Capitalism sucks. The individualism that comes with it allows some of you to perceive that you'd be doing better in another system. The reality is that you couldn't compete regardless, and would be even lower peons in anything that came before. That said, it's certainly not fair and for many people it's terribly degrading due to no fault of their own. I'm simply asking y'all to come up with something better than socialism or communism, which in the absence of morality, simply can't work. Face facts, the individualism that allows people to think "fat shaming" is a more important concept than "you're unhealthy" isn't going to work in a collectivist system. We'd just have more dead weight

I agree with one thing though. The (((people))) at the top of the economic hierarchy are worse than those at the bottom. I just don't see a realistic solution that doesn't result in a worse outcome

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

texans arent advanced either they should be slaves

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It isn't about what people should be buddy. Also, Texas is a thriving hub of technology and obesity

[Pokesan]

having an iphone is your worst opinion ever

lost a lot of respect for you there

[skarlorn]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, Texas is a thriving hub of technology and obesity

LoL

don't forget fraked oil

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

are you trying to assert killing is wrong? If so, get with the times. Killing other humans has always been a cool feature for us.

Pras

working as intended

[zodium]

My dearest Dude,

First of all, Marx was very wrong, but being pre-Darwin, he could not have accounted for ecological overshoot.

Second, the question that stands before us is not one, to my mind, of a capitalism-communism dichotomy.

I ask: Are the best countries capitalist? Certainly so, my dude skarlorn, but so are the worst countries.

Capitalist dynasties and the so-called Iron Law of Oligarchy are only an expression of the people's true desire for legitimate rule by a right and proper king.

The trajectory of civilization invariably goes through capitalism, but its final product is monarchy, not communism.

Full monarchism now!

Yours truly,
Royalist Swine

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Forums posting style, deal with it 2017

[JurisDictum]

Sweden

Germany

United States

All Capitalists. These are the kinds of countries people want to actually live in. But even if we consider all powerful countries -- the closest thing to a non-capitalist country that is anywhere in the ballpark is China and Russia. I fail to see how they could be considered non-capitalist though. Because there is authoritarianism? So what -- its still private business running the show.

So I don't think there is a lot of debate that capitalism is currently the best system. In the United States, there has been a lot of public policy debate historically about weather or not you magically become a communist state if your welfare state expands. But I think people are finally sick of listening to rich people ask themselves this and are willing to go more of the Germany/Sweden direction. However -- the current leadership and old fucks in charge are all about more free market.

Reguardless, capitalism just means private ownership is enforced by law -- same with employment contracts and other legally binding business agreements. The majority of goods and jobs will be generated by the domestic and global market.

Otherwise capitalism can be done a lot of different ways. Some integrate some socialist ideas into it like Sweden, and others try to keep the traditional family and institutions intact like Germany. They both seem to work better than letting the market do its thing like in United States especially.