Stormfeather -- Policy Incorrect?

[Leiker]

Originally Posted by aMindAmok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, how long after it spawns before it's fair game? 5 seconds... 10seconds... 1 minute? What's the rule here. Just sitting there shouldn't be enough to claim a camp.

This question is not specific to Stormfeather camp though.

Any camp is forfeit if you do not engage the mob within a reasonable time.

I guess its up to GMs to define reasonable time.

[Goodest]

Originally Posted by aMindAmok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, how long after it spawns before it's fair game? 5 seconds... 10seconds... 1 minute? What's the rule here. Just sitting there shouldn't be enough to claim a camp.

[Kaight]

So you sitting there, waiting for a spawn is "actively playing the game?"

[Rerfu]

As opposed to sleeping with the game open? yeah.

[Kaight]

Originally Posted by Rerfu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As opposed to sleeping with the game open? yeah.

Okay but REALLY, what are you doing? Watching TV? Bullshitting with people in tells? Staring mindlessly at the screen waiting for a cluster of pixels to appear? Is there really a difference if the "sleeping" camper is there to attack when it spawns?

[Pokesan]

ya this quest sounds like a hoot!

[aMindAmok]

Also, lets say you are "camping" the spawn (aka sitting in the general vicinity of the spawn location) and I stroll up and try to talk to you. You ignore me (presumably because you are afk getting food or something). Time goes by. I try to engage you for the next 2 hours with no response. I now assume you are not even playing the game. The spawn pops and you don't move right away (presumably knowing full well that I am there for said camp) and I take the mob. Am I at fault for "camp stealing" or is it the camp holders responsibility to make others aware they are camping it?

[Phenyo]

Originally Posted by aMindAmok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, lets say you are "camping" the spawn (aka sitting in the general vicinity of the spawn location) and I stroll up and try to talk to you. You ignore me (presumably because you are afk getting food or something). Time goes by. I try to engage you for the next 2 hours with no response. I now assume you are not even playing the game. The spawn pops and you don't move right away (presumably knowing full well that I am there for said camp) and I take the mob. Am I at fault for "camp stealing" or is it the camp holders responsibility to make others aware they are camping it?

Yes. Players are not obligated to respond to you.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by aMindAmok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, lets say you are "camping" the spawn (aka sitting in the general vicinity of the spawn location) and I stroll up and try to talk to you. You ignore me (presumably because you are afk getting food or something)... is it the camp holders responsibility to make others aware they are camping it?

No. The camp holder does not have to talk to you, or anyone. Let's be clear about that. Keeping a camp list is a courtesy, not a requirement.

Originally Posted by aMindAmok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Time goes by. I try to engage you for the next 2 hours with no response. I now assume you are not even playing the game. The spawn pops and you don't move right away (presumably knowing full well that I am there for said camp) and I take the mob. Am I at fault for "camp stealing"?

If you engaged, killed, and looted the item right away, then yes, because you didn't allow the camp holder to engage their own spawn even if they were present. Give them a minute or two. If I were in this situation, I would just send the camp holder a tell saying, "Hey, I'm going to kill this thing if it spawns, but I'll hold the corpse for you in case you come back before it rots." I have actually done this at Stormfeather, because some other shitheel was poised and ready to steal the spawn because he was angry that the camp holder was AFK. Sure enough, the camp holder came back about a minute after Stormfeather spawned, and I gave them the loot, and then the camp was mine and I got the next one. Let's apply the golden rule here, folks. What kind of server do you want to play on? Do you really want to be required to sit at the screen for 70-80 hours for fucking Stormfeather? Let's create the server that makes us all a little less insane, not more.

[KENAK]

Originally Posted by JayDee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These people also used to kite SF around for however long it took to find a buyer for loot rights.

I personally think everything should be FFA. Highest dps wins and if you don't loot by the time lockout elapses, it's up for grabs. Only rules should be against harassment and training

Menden told me today that kiting/stalling non-raid mobs has a limit, in the range of 10 minutes or so. Another guide (Cylok? I'm bad with names) told me that someone can stall Lodi indefinitely if they'd like, so who knows I guess.

Great guy, by the way.