Camp Rules

[Toodles]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the better question is why are volunteer GMs even responding to petitions rn? Just let the server play out...

Nothing bad will happen, I promise.

Focus on reimbursements and shit.

Here here. As said in the recent drama posts and by wise people in real life, left adults work things out. The GM staff here have become like a nanny state government, throwing around arbitrary and subjective decisions on matters of ethics.
Also, if they'd stop focusing on 5% of the top end of the hierarchy and worried more about the life of the game outside of raiding, the server would be more healthy.

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, seems like RnF material

You mean like Boutik's 'woe is me, I'm just an honest salesman making a living' vanity thread?
A quarter or more of threads in General Chat belong in RnF. I've been calling them out for ages, to keep them where they belong. Maybe the GMs could raid quest less and forum quest more for once.

Originally Posted by Tuurin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seriously. We're suspending people for ks'ing level 20 generic orcs? Tell me there's more to this story...

Probably not..likely it's not the content though whom was involved and tie's in with the below..

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What was your response to GM's? Especially for KS or camp issues, GM's will message you and ask about the situation first. They don't blindly suspend for no reason.

Really? Ever met any of Chest's pocket GMs that would insta suspend/ban people within moments of a claim being made?

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

90% of cases where said person has been banned was because they either mouthed off to GM

Mouthing off to a GM? Subjective considerations aside, that is not an infraction. If Sirken can log on at Stormfeather, and start killing, porting and suspending people for not following his sudden on the spot change to the rules so his friend can keep a named camp, then I think it's only appropriate we can have cart blanch to say what we like.

We all make this assumption that the game managers actually review cases like these, and frankly I find little evidence they do given the time frames involved and the absurd results we get most of the time.
The likelihood is they don't work from a platform of fact finding and evidence based decision making, it's more likely proponderence of evidence - so in short, if player A complains then the first thing they think is 'why would someone make a complaint? It must have happened!'
or player A complains and the GM thinks 'I know this person, they're telling the truth!'
Welcome to the world of where the accused has to defend themselves or in these cases, never has the chance.
Thank you college campuses for indoctrinating our neckbearded male college students into swallowing the #believethevictim pill

[bigjeff100]

No matter who was right or wrong here.. Homey was a turd for going straight to GM's and should be punished for any lack of attempting to resolve this between you 2. I also think he's a turd because any normal joe can zone in there, see a high level sitting at the camp and already know what he's doing, so just move on. Instead he appears to be looking for drama...

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by bigjeff100 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No matter who was right or wrong here.. Homey was a turd for going straight to GM's and should be punished for any lack of attempting to resolve this between you 2. I also think he's a turd because any normal joe can zone in there, see a high level sitting at the camp and already know what he's doing, so just move on. Instead he appears to be looking for drama...

I painted a one sided picture of the scene no doubt but I'm trying to be as honest as I can because I respect this server and its rules. It feels bad having him be the winner and me the loser for a matter I would be more than willing to resolve person to person.

I got initiated to full member of Aftermath literally hours before my suspension happened. So to be poofed from the server, without any communication, right before my first raid cycle as a full member was really sad.

Anyway, I just hope I can get my character back.

[bigjeff100]

Were u banned or suspended?

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by bigjeff100 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Were u banned or suspended?

Suspended but I have no clue on the time frame (haven't heard anything from gms regrading the matter) and I'm a petulant child when it comes to patience heh

[bigjeff100]

Originally Posted by Hotel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Suspended but I have no clue on the time frame (haven't heard anything from gms regrading the matter) and I'm a petulant child when it comes to patience heh

I always thought suspensions were 30 days.. Either way that sucks man. From the details i can see.. I actually side with you.. Whether you did the right thing or not rule wise, i am a supporter of people can and need to use more common sense... If i see something camped, i just move on without even asking. I don't want to know if i can have 1 spawn out of your 6 mobs, or how long your gonna be. I just legitimately move on and find something else to do. And that's what homey shoulda done.. Seen it was camped, caught agro, shoulda kept moving. Instead he threw a fit, and this is where you are now.

[turbosilk]

Originally Posted by bigjeff100 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I always thought suspensions were 30 days.. Either way that sucks man. From the details i can see.. I actually side with you.. Whether you did the right thing or not rule wise, i am a supporter of people can and need to use more common sense... If i see something camped, i just move on without even asking. I don't want to know if i can have 1 spawn out of your 6 mobs, or how long your gonna be. I just legitimately move on and find something else to do. And that's what homey shoulda done.. Seen it was camped, caught agro, shoulda kept moving. Instead he threw a fit, and this is where you are now.

It has to be taken into consideration that handing drops off to hold a camp could be considered the same as corpsing an AC ring and continuing to camp the AC.

There are also reasons why the vast majority of the people on the server have never been suspended or banned their entire time playing. Can't go wrong with "Play Nice Policy".

[Wonkie]

the real reason we can't have nice things is people farming consumables for raiders to zone pull with

[Ballaorf]

Maybe it's just the lower levels, but I've found a relative lack of respect for camps so far. In CB, we were camping Wall and someone kept grabbing mobs from our camp. I asked them to stop, they ran off, then just pulled from the other side of our camp - which actually ended up causing trains more than once because the mobs ran through multiple camps.

Camping orc highway in Oasis, a higher-level twink was grabbing orcs when we had no problem clearing it. Same with crocs last night.

Anyway, I have an actual question: The "one spawn" rule, is that a spawn camp or a specific mob? For example, if you're camping a named for a drop, is someone free to kill everything else except that named? Or is the "spawn" considered that entire room/camp?

[wittles]

Originally Posted by Ballaorf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe it's just the lower levels, but I've found a relative lack of respect for camps so far. In CB, we were camping Wall and someone kept grabbing mobs from our camp. I asked them to stop, they ran off, then just pulled from the other side of our camp - which actually ended up causing trains more than once because the mobs ran through multiple camps.

Camping orc highway in Oasis, a higher-level twink was grabbing orcs when we had no problem clearing it. Same with crocs last night.

Anyway, I have an actual question: The "one spawn" rule, is that a spawn camp or a specific mob? For example, if you're camping a named for a drop, is someone free to kill everything else except that named? Or is the "spawn" considered that entire room/camp?

The highway isn't a camp, neither is P1 or P2. TR in CB is a camp, but Dvinn is FTE unless you're sitting in the tower.

I Find camps are pretty well respected. The odd douchebags are the exception, not the rule.