Is there a better duo

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Qtip [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Until your charm breaks, you get summoned and one rounded and the cleric gets the same fate.

I don't think there are any NPCs that Shamans can torpor tank that will also 1-round an Enchanter with cleric buffs before Stun Command/Color Shift/Boltrans can clean the situation up.

I guess you are referring to the Plane of Mischief puppets. In my experience Shaman struggle to tank those, and anyway Enchanter/Cleric works quite well there if the Cleric uses stuns to stay above the Enchanter on the hatelist. The cleric gets summoned, takes a quick step away from the remaining puppets, and stuns the enchanter pet.

[Qtip]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think there are any NPCs that Shamans can torpor tank that will also 1-round an Enchanter with cleric buffs before Stun Command/Color Shift/Boltrans can clean the situation up.

I guess you are referring to the Plane of Mischief puppets. In my experience Shaman struggle to tank those, and anyway Enchanter/Cleric works quite well there if the Cleric uses stuns to stay above the Enchanter on the hatelist. The cleric gets summoned, takes a quick step away from the remaining puppets, and stuns the enchanter pet.

Cleric stun/cheal/buff isnt as strong as malo/torpor/slow/buff.

As an enchanter on a charm break, I would rather have a shaman get summoned and have to tank for 4 secs on 2 summons by the time my pet is back up.

Then relying on the cleric to cast stun and heal me.

But stun, 800 hp and CH isnt as overpowered as torpor, slow and malo on a velious geared shaman.

[Xaeophi]

I'd personally rather have Aego from the cleric > whatever shaman does in reference to the best duo for an ench.

[Pringles]

Prefer shm/ench when leveling and at 60 over ench/clr. In a vacuum they are pretty close but the availability of cleric bots and velious hp gear diminishes the cleric duo in my mind. Shaman also doesn't really have trouble tanking something like puppets until the last two(names escape me). However you probably have an aego or symbol so even those two are trivialized. Different strokes?

[Xaeophi]

Both suffice for puppets. Shamans can take a few hits when a charm breaks.. Clerics can CH your pet, stun, also take a few hits and do an overall better job at healing.
Both shaman and cleric are adequate classes to duo with an ench I think it really comes down to preference more then anything.

[MamaKan]

Monk Shaman can duo king.

[Wallicker]

Can necro + shaman duo king?

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Qtip [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As an enchanter on a charm break, I would rather have a shaman get summoned and have to tank for 4 secs on 2 summons by the time my pet is back up.

I don't think you read my post. The point is that by throwing a few stuns the cleric stays ahead of the enchanter on the hate list, and thus the enchanter is never summoned.

Originally Posted by Qtip [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then relying on the cleric to cast stun and heal me.

Where are you getting this? When charm breaks I'm not screaming in discord for the cleric to cast Stun Command; I'm casting Color Flux myself. If I channel CF and it's not resisted, then I could be duoing with a Rogue and all would be well. But when I'm getting chain interrupted or resisted it's great to see Stun Command land and time stop, not to mention the extra 1000 HP on my buff bar. Meanwhile, the only thing the Shaman can do is cast a puny 400 HP heal that mitigates one round of charmed pet melee if that. Torpor and its 6 second casting time followed by another 0-6 seconds before it ticks for an even punier 300 HP is even worse.

Now you can argue that Malo extends charm durations and reduces the chance of stun resists, and you would be correct. And I'm certainly not claiming SHM/ENC is terrible. But I think it's a lot easier to simply give the pet -40 MR in gear, and I don't really want to be charming a pet that is resisting more than 5-10% of stuns anyway.

TLDR: I just don't see how anyone can possibly argue that a Shaman is better at keeping an Enchanter alive on charm breaks than a Cleric.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Wallicker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can necro + shaman duo king?

Need the monk to pull it. Kind of what I was alluding to when talking about needing monk to pull certain high level camps. If a necro could duo pull king I'd be seriously impressed.

[Qtip]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think you read my post. The point is that by throwing a few stuns the cleric stays ahead of the enchanter on the hate list, and thus the enchanter is never summoned.



Where are you getting this? When charm breaks I'm not screaming in discord for the cleric to cast Stun Command; I'm casting Color Flux myself. If I channel CF and it's not resisted, then I could be duoing with a Rogue and all would be well. But when I'm getting chain interrupted or resisted it's great to see Stun Command land and time stop, not to mention the extra 1000 HP on my buff bar. Meanwhile, the only thing the Shaman can do is cast a puny 400 HP heal that mitigates one round of charmed pet melee if that. Torpor and its 6 second casting time followed by another 0-6 seconds before it ticks for an even punier 300 HP is even worse.

Now you can argue that Malo extends charm durations and reduces the chance of stun resists, and you would be correct. And I'm certainly not claiming SHM/ENC is terrible. But I think it's a lot easier to simply give the pet -40 MR in gear, and I don't really want to be charming a pet that is resisting more than 5-10% of stuns anyway.

TLDR: I just don't see how anyone can possibly argue that a Shaman is better at keeping an Enchanter alive on charm breaks than a Cleric.

The argument was best duo. Leveling up, probably cleric. At 60 farming, shaman. To each their own. Calm down buddy.