AG leadership giving up on all rules in ToV

[k9quaint]

After reading those logs. Looks like no rules in ToV for a while.
Should make for amazing RnF.

[Mendo]

Originally Posted by k9quaint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After reading those logs. Looks like no rules in ToV for a while.
Should make for amazing RnF.

I don't know... I think for the most part the guilds here have policed themselves pretty well. We all make mistakes and I see that the guilds competing are conceding future mobs when they make those mistakes. I personally like this raid environment better than one where everyone was afraid of losing a chance to play the game for months...

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by Mendo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know... I think for the most part the guilds here have policed themselves pretty well. We all make mistakes and I see that the guilds competing are conceding future mobs when they make those mistakes. I personally like this raid environment better than one where everyone was afraid of losing a chance to play the game for months...

What if i told you its possible to play everquest without breaking the raid rules therefore you never lose anything.

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What if i told you its possible to play everquest without breaking the raid rules therefore you never lose anything.

I think you were missing the point of his post which is that most rules violations are made on accident. It's also often very hard to know who exactly made a mistake that caused a train or botched pull, requiring you to start reviewing fraps which quite frequently doesn't show you what exactly happened that caused the problem. And your decision has to be made in real time so you darn well better figure out quickly if it was your guild or the other guild that messed up. We don't have a GM referee watching ToV during these raids, so it's pretty much up to the raid leaders to figure this shit out, and it doesn't help that literally every pull ever has the officers getting spam tells from randos from the other guild telling them to concede or else, so now the officers have to figure out if the tells are legit, someone who doesn't know wtf they're talking about, or just some stupid calling wolf mind game.

Frankly I'm glad I don't have to be the one to put up with it, and if you think you'd be P99 Jesus if only you were in charge, I think you're severely underestimating what a clusterfuck raiding on this server can be.

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you were missing the point of his post which is that most rules violations are made on accident. It's also often very hard to know who exactly made a mistake that caused a train or botched pull, requiring you to start reviewing fraps which quite frequently doesn't show you what exactly happened that caused the problem. And your decision has to be made in real time so you darn well better figure out quickly if it was your guild or the other guild that messed up. We don't have a GM referee watching ToV during these raids, so it's pretty much up to the raid leaders to figure this shit out, and it doesn't help that literally every pull ever has the officers getting spam tells from randos from the other guild telling them to concede or else, so now the officers have to figure out if the tells are legit, someone who doesn't know wtf they're talking about, or just some stupid calling wolf mind game.

Frankly I'm glad I don't have to be the one to put up with it, and if you think you'd be P99 Jesus if only you were in charge, I think you're severely underestimating what a clusterfuck raiding on this server can be.

Ive been raiding on p99 for nearly 5 years and competed in tov/fear/vp/etc... My guild has never had a raid suspension. If you break the rules and get suspended it is because you are choosing to do something that potentially or automatically breaks the rules. Nice rationalization of shitty behaviour, though!

[aaezil]

people auto firing on dragon spawn points last night

nothing to see here!

[Savok]

P99 is a great server to relive your EQ memories on, all except the 2% I call 'raiding'. Its a joke. Having to have FRAPS and lawyers and 100 raid rules just to enjoy a game is beyond stupid.

For those of you who haven't lost your sanity and still enjoy playing but want to raid, there are 10 times as many other servers out there to play on. Let your feet do the walking and finally convince the devs here that they need to stop catering for the 2%.

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by Savok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P99 is a great server to relive your EQ memories on, all except the 2% I call 'raiding'. Its a joke. Having to have FRAPS and lawyers and 100 raid rules just to enjoy a game is beyond stupid.

For those of you who haven't lost your sanity and still enjoy playing but want to raid, there are 10 times as many other servers out there to play on. Let your feet do the walking and finally convince the devs here that they need to stop catering for the 2%.

I think that it really shows your ignorance if you think the devs are 'catering to the 2%'. The GMs are overworked and underpaid. If they could wave a magic wand and fix the raid scene I'm sure they would, but managing non-instanced raiding on a 20 year old game full of bugs and glitches is not a simple or easy task.

[Savok]

Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think that it really shows your ignorance if you think the devs are 'catering to the 2%'. The GMs are overworked and underpaid. If they could wave a magic wand and fix the raid scene I'm sure they would, but managing non-instanced raiding on a 20 year old game full of bugs and glitches is not a simple or easy task.

Its the same crap as it was in 2010 but with different names. Its never going to change.

[Caball]

^ For sure heh. Both guilds broke the rules, both guilds didn’t concede, both still got their lewts. There is no chance of being suspended really, there isn’t anyone there to enforce these rules. Surprised it’s not worse, could be repeated trains where nothing gets killed or pure dps races.

Nothing will change until a GM is present and decides to do something about a party breaking rules and scares people back into working things out themselves, and on this 10 year old server it’s unlikely that will happen. No one wants that job or cares to deal with the raid scene besides the people participating. Maybe over the next year the people running this server will add more help to staff, or maybe it will get worse and have even less staff involvement. No one knows [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]