Tunare agreement makes like a tree and leafs

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rotate pog

Didn't AM/AW once try to design a 'rotation' intended to lock all other forces out of growth. It back fired; Aw failed to qualify and some other forces unexpectedly succeeded in qualifying for the rotation so Am/Aw decided the rotation was silly and pulled the carpet out from it.

Am isn't pulling out the carpet from their own agreement again are they?

Was it was designed to lock other forces out of pixels but instead is assisting others getting those pixels and am is once again damage controlling a pixel cannon backfire?

[planarity]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Am isn't pulling out the carpet from their own agreement again are they?

Well yes, they are. Detoxx wrote the agreement, then when they failed to win the footrace, AM members got all angsty and chose to attack the 12h thing (which detoxx proposed and everyone agreed to. probably because AM also would prefer to do clear during normal human hours if they could), rather than the real issue which is that they feel entitled tunare and everything else by default, and feel like they've been cheated when they are beat fair and square even under a ruleset of their own choosing.

So, they angsted detoxx so much that he was forced to call his own agreement unreasonable, and to propose rules that would specifically favor AM and their ability to get 60 people in the middle of the night.

Does that help?

[Nexii]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't AM/AW once try to design a 'rotation' intended to lock all other forces out of growth. It back fired; Aw failed to qualify and some other forces unexpectedly succeeded in qualifying for the rotation so Am/Aw decided the rotation was silly and pulled the carpet out from it.

Am isn't pulling out the carpet from their own agreement again are they?

Was it was designed to lock other forces out of pixels but instead is assisting others getting those pixels and am is once again damage controlling a pixel cannon backfire?

Yea there was a growth rotation between AM and AWK back then. However interest in clearing POG was never that high until Tunare went from 0-3 items to 2-4 items. Essentially a doubling in reward from 1.5 on average to 3. AM did POG like once a month at most in that era and AWK not at all. It was free for others to do most weeks but no one wanted to do it for the amount of reward.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea there was a growth rotation between AM and AWK back then. However interest in clearing POG was never that high until Tunare went from 0-3 items to 2-4 items. Essentially a doubling in reward from 1.5 on average to 3. AM did POG like once a month at most in that era and AWK not at all. It was free for others to do most weeks but no one wanted to do it for the amount of reward.

A clear + Tunare fight is something that is fun to do like twice a year (though from what I understand the leashing changes mean a full clear isn't strictly necessary?). As you say there is enough Tunare to go round. It's a just shame that forces large enough to kill Tunare are willing to leap frog someone else's clear. It's orders of magnitude worse than leapfrogging, say, SolB.

[Nexii]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A clear + Tunare fight is something that is fun to do like twice a year (though from what I understand the leashing changes mean a full clear isn't strictly necessary?). As you say there is enough Tunare to go round. It's a just shame that forces large enough to kill Tunare are willing to leap frog someone else's clear. It's orders of magnitude worse than leapfrogging, say, SolB.

Tunare is killed every week since the patch to increase her loot. Within 24h or less.

Tactics...well the GMs haven't clarified

[Dillusional]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't AM/AW once try to design a 'rotation' intended to lock all other forces out of growth. It back fired; Aw failed to qualify and some other forces unexpectedly succeeded in qualifying for the rotation so Am/Aw decided the rotation was silly and pulled the carpet out from it.

Am isn't pulling out the carpet from their own agreement again are they?

Was it was designed to lock other forces out of pixels but instead is assisting others getting those pixels and am is once again damage controlling a pixel cannon backfire?

What? This just never happened. There was very little interest in clearing growth even when you could guarantee two good loots by respawning Tunare until she was visibly holding two things. It used to take Rampage/Awakened and Aftermath 10-12 hours before the order of killing stuff was polished.

After they made what Tunare was holding non-visible, interest in killing her dropped close to zero. Awakened decided getting basically nothing 50% of the time after spending hours clearing growth wasn't worth it.

Only recently has interest peaked back up again and the competitive Tunare meta is just establishing itself now.

[Oleris]

Yeah, 12 hours to kill tunare... not 12 hours to start clearing which is dumb

[Viscere]

Op needs a big big hug

[Castigate]

You're misrepresenting your entire position from the opening, which is just an act of bad faith.
The agreement was that you had 12 hours to BEGIN CLEARING, with up to an assumed 12 additional hours after that to actually kill Tunare due to the zones respawn time of 12 hours.
When Core FTE'd that last Tunare, and I believe with the previous winner as well? The winning guild went to bed and left her up all night rather than actually beginning a clear, that is what you're angry we weren't ok with, not 12 hours from winning the FTE race as you claimed.

[Maschenny]

Originally Posted by Castigate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're misrepresenting your entire position from the opening, which is just an act of bad faith.
The agreement was that you had 12 hours to BEGIN CLEARING, with up to an assumed 12 additional hours after that to actually kill Tunare due to the zones respawn time of 12 hours.
When Core FTE'd that last Tunare, and I believe with the previous winner as well? The winning guild went to bed and left her up all night rather than actually beginning a clear, that is what you're angry we weren't ok with, not 12 hours from winning the FTE race as you claimed.

Why is it a problem that the winning guild went to bed?