Frustration over lack of clarity from CSR on contested Epic mobs. Solve before Green

[Erati]

Originally Posted by TrendyDru [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is this RnF? Or is your reading comprehension just that bad?

? You were wanting people to be banned for doing what they choose w loot theyve earned.

[Sacer]

Yeah what do you actually need to claim the camp then? Can you track with a level one, then when it pop take 30 min or more to find people to help you kill it?
Not many enchanters are able to solo that fight from what I've seen. That ruling will bring a lot of drama.

[18120]

What level do you have to be to claim the camp then? A lvl 57 enchanter really has no way of soloing Verina but that is not an unreasonable level to be looking for epic pieces. Do you need more than 1 person to claim the camp? How long do you have to gather people after a spawn?

[Hibbs]

Originally Posted by 18120 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What level do you have to be to claim the camp then? A lvl 57 enchanter really has no way of soloing Verina but that is not an unreasonable level to be looking for epic pieces. Do you need more than 1 person to claim the camp? How long do you have to gather people after a spawn?

I got my epic when I was 54. I had help with VT from a 60 enc buddy, we Duo'd. I also had help with VD from a cleric buddy who was 54ish also. I 100% felt I could have solo these camps at 54 if I had a CH clicky. On the attempt we killed VD cleric casted 1 CH and my charmed guard never got dispelled.

I'm surprised to see that GM ruling on this. From everything I've ever read it always seemed like whoever got to VT/VD first and engaged had rights, and because they are not "raid" targets (as stupid as it is) stalling was okay as long as you didn't die, zone, or LD. I camped these 2 for at least 5-6 months and I NEVER heard anyone say "I have this camp". This is just my thought, but what GM's say go. /shrug

I definitely think a clear cut rule should be posted somewhere. Having these two as a camp sounds like such a headache.

[Karthil]

Originally Posted by Hibbs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm surprised to see that GM ruling on this.

Yep. After camping both of these myself over many spawns, I never once encountered anyone who considered it a camp. We were all operating under the impression that we were competing for FTE.

[18120]

If you're holding the VT camp solo claiming that you are able to solo her..do you have to attempt a solo kill when she spawns?

Both have them have been understood to be FTE and it has been fine. And I dont think anyone will believe me if I go there and say "sorry, VT is camped"

[Swish2]

Sounds like we need more rules so people can lawyer harder and make the place way more fun to play <3

[18120]

Well, I am currently claiming the VT camp. Goodluck everyone else next spawn.

[Hibbs]

Originally Posted by 18120 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, I am currently claiming the VT camp. Goodluck everyone else next spawn.

Lmaooooo. Got emmm

[Menden]

Hello,

The recent call that involved DiogenesThaDogg never felt 100% right to me, a lot of arguments could be made for FTE or campable. I compared VT/VD to Hadden and SF, but Llandris made a very compelling argument which I'll list below.

I brought the topic up with other Senior Staff and we combed through countless past calls relating to these two spawns. The overwhelming majority is that it's FTE, not campable.

I put non-raid, single target, no PH spawns into two categories.

1. Campable, but must keep guards clear.
Sir Lucan
Drusella Sathir

2. Campable, but must get FTE within a reasonable amount of time.
Hadden
Stormfeather

I originally put VT/VD into this category but because they are generally killed with 2+ players, this makes it really hard.

Llandris: A player "camping" must have friends with characters camped near by or get players
mobilized to this remote zone pretty quickly. Or if it was a solo, a skilled enchanter would have to abandon the camp to grab a pet.

As we see it this goes against the "stalling" or "kill within a reasonable amount of time" guideline we
have stated countless times for other camps. So I can understand the confusion among players(and staff apparently).

So, we're making this official. A third category.

3. FTE, let the race begin.
Verina Tomb
Vessel Drozlin

I'll see if I can talk Nilbog/Rogean into putting a FTE emote on these two mobs which would make it pretty clear what kind of encounter this is and stop any confusion that may come up in the future.

I apologize for any confusion I may have caused, but going forward you have this post to go on as a concrete guideline backed up by the Server GM and other Senior Staff.



If anyone has shared the screenshot that DiogeneThaDogg has posted, please remove it or edit the
post stating the call has been reversed.