List System Proposed Changes

[cd288]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There’s a slight difference in bringing 60 guildies to camp manastone on a list that moves in linear order and bringing 60 guildies to make sure the odds are in your favor when a manastone drops if everyone in the list could potentially win it.

Personally, I think after X minutes of spawning, the mob should auto-aggro the #1 person every server tick regardless if FD, invis, or hidden. If you doubt your ability to solo the mob, come back when you're level 50.

Agreed. Making it randomly given to someone on the list regardless of position will just make it ripe for guild abuse. If the list is 200 people long, for example, and it includes 100+ players from some guild who has just packed their members onto the list, you are essentially moving yourself back towards the scenario the list was designed to prevent (i.e. a guild trying to ensure Manastones only go to its members).

Sure, it wouldn't be 100% guaranteed to go to members of that guild, but just packing your members onto the list ensures high odds that someone from your guild will be getting the drop.

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Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreed. Making it randomly given to someone on the list regardless of position will just make it ripe for guild abuse. If the list is 200 people long, for example, and it includes 100+ players from some guild who has just packed their members onto the list, you are essentially moving yourself back towards the scenario the list was designed to prevent (i.e. a guild trying to ensure Manastones only go to its members).

Sure, it wouldn't be 100% guaranteed to go to members of that guild, but just packing your members onto the list ensures high odds that someone from your guild will be getting the drop.

So the only thing stopping them from doing this now is the fact that they need to be in zone and have to do AFK checks?

Would limiting drops to 1 per character or just increasing the lockout time be any help?

[Nirgon]

Camp for Rubi bp started Nov 29th ~10am, dropped today around 10:30am

grats me

sorry u didnt get lewt

Ramal manastone next

Box Emperor Rogean is not changing his glorious list mechanic so you can exploit it

[Veeshan31]

DO people actually stay up for 50 hours camping manastone? This server really does attract mentally ill people.

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Originally Posted by Veeshan31 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DO people actually stay up for 50 hours camping manastone? This server really does attract mentally ill people.

People are probably sharing accounts.

Someone was in list for jboots for 25 hours today and finally got them.

[Frostback]

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make AFK check only be done for the person in position 1 up to position 3

Agree with you 100%

[Rynon]

Just give everyone a manastone and mask via a command in game once you hit the level mark. Stop the insanity, save lives.

[Dreenk317]

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You still haven't given a valid reason why letting people on list leave zone should not be allowed. Top people on list are subject to afk checks and will get booted if item drops or a failed afk check. Guilds flooding the list will need to maintain top 3 afk check and deal with people killing mobs for the drops to advance the list to non guilds.

This is a waitlist that IS enforceable through /list.

Because that defeats the purpose of the camp, if there is a line, you wait in it. You dont show up, say cool, I'm 4th in line, then go to lunch and come back and step into line in the 4th spot, that's just not how it works. And that's not how it should work here. It also would eliminate the risk of dieing and losing your place on the list for what could be, the majority of your time on the list. If you are in camp, and die, and cant get back in time, you lose your spot. If I can get on list, bind at camp, then go sit in the bank in Freeport till I'm number 3, then gate back to camp. I have circumvented the major part of the risk in camping said item. By spending however large a percentage of the time needed to get the item in absolute and complete safety.

There are reasons.

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Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I can get on list, bind at camp, then go sit in the bank in Freeport till I'm number 3, then gate back to camp. I have circumvented the major part of the risk in camping said item. By spending however large a percentage of the time needed to get the item in absolute and complete safety.

What risk? most people will just hide or FD. What risk is there now with them being overcrowded camps with PHs having a lifespan of seconds?

[mcoy]

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People are probably sharing accounts.

Someone was in list for jboots for 25 hours today and finally got them.

The person before me was also there for about 25 hours, but I am not sure what position they were in when they joined.

I would be happy for some sort of modification to the /list mechanic. I haven't done an all-nighter like that in almost 20 years. An opportunity to have slept for just 1 full REM cycle would have been glorious.

Around 3AM I ended up setting a timer for 10 mins and I caught a dozen or two "microsleeps" between AFK checks until 8AM when I finally got a second wind. It wasn't much of one though, so I was very thankful to get a drop after only being #1 for a couple spawns.

[Sun Dec 01 09:19:56 2019] [40 Cleric] Mcoy (Human) <Department of Fun>
[Sun Dec 01 09:19:56 2019] There are 11 players in Najena.
[Sun Dec 01 09:20:21 2019] a magician begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Dec 01 09:20:23 2019] A magician is enveloped in flame.
[Sun Dec 01 09:20:36 2019] a magician begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Dec 01 09:20:37 2019] You have been added to the list.

[Sun Dec 01 09:27:40 2019] You are already on a list. You are position 7.

[Mon Dec 02 09:30:20 2019] You say, 'congrats'
[Mon Dec 02 09:30:25 2019] You are already on a list. You are position 1.
[Mon Dec 02 09:30:28 2019] Mcoy's birthdate: Friday, October 25, 2019 09:24:44.
[Mon Dec 02 09:30:28 2019] Total time playing Mcoy: 37 days, 18 hours, and 29 minutes
[Mon Dec 02 09:30:28 2019] This session: 1 day, 37 minutes, and 9 seconds

[Mon Dec 02 10:07:05 2019] --You have looted a Journeyman's Boots.--
[Mon Dec 02 10:07:13 2019] Mcoy's birthdate: Friday, October 25, 2019 09:24:44.
[Mon Dec 02 10:07:13 2019] Total time playing Mcoy: 37 days, 19 hours, and 5 minutes
[Mon Dec 02 10:07:13 2019] This session: 1 day, 1 hour, 13 minutes, and 54 seconds
[Mon Dec 02 10:07:13 2019] Your total time entitled on this account is 0.0 years.
[Mon Dec 02 10:07:15 2019] Taking a screenshot...
[Mon Dec 02 10:07:20 2019] You say, '25 hours'

Note that other player's names have been removed from the log snippet and attached screenshot.

-Mcoy