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Old 12-10-2019, 04:40 AM
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Reverse Engineers are pretty good for solo farming.

Makes slightly more $/hr than a software engineer, problem is they have one of the hardest learning curves. Really easy to solo on, though, as people literally will give you currency for playing the class well.

Downside is you might get banned early on if you're not careful about which NPCs you destroy. They're really good at breaking the play nice policy if you're not careful. Also, again, the learning curve really sucks, but again, high rewards.

I would try and farm IDA Pro from Hexrays first, you'll have an easier time getting more cash if you do that early on. Has clicky pseudocode which makes farming easy, too, which is also nice.

If you need any help, there's plenty of guides online and tons of resources about the class available, mostly self-serve though.

Hopefully they give them some much-needed buffs early game, its kind of intimidating playing the class as a newbie, lots of self-doubt and such.
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Old 12-10-2019, 05:03 AM
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1. Get necro
2. Solo anything up to yellow, lots of profit and not hard at all
3. Get necro to Rathe Mountains giant-hunting level
4. Profit massively with little effort. Them being giants just makes it easier to keep track of them when you're fear kiting three at a time. One at a time can be done so drunk you that have to close one eye to see a single screen.
5. Go to EC and buy whatever strikes your fancy
6. Twink the ever-loving crap out of whatever characters follow

I played necros to 50s on live in 2000 and on blue, and past level 15 or so money stopped being a meaningful factor, with just a little work I always had plenty to get anything useful for my level. I haven't played bard or druid so maybe they can make lots of money too, particularly druids with porting, but I can say that necros make plenty of money and at least in outdoor zones, anything they see that's not red is only alive with the necro's permission. And it's really not hard to be converting two or three at a time to a more dead state. Add SOW and Clarity/KEI and it's not even vaguely fair anymore.

And I still think a necro with SOW is one of the best outdoor pullers. I was always able to supply to a group (as long as there were enough mobs) a completely continuous flow of half-dead mobs. Hit them with darkness and at least one more dot, run to group, pet and group wait for mob to arrive and attack, I FD. In 10-15 seconds pet or group has agro, run out, immediately repeat process with another mob, it will arrive at group just as first one dies, already half dead. Group taking little damage, chain pull until someone asks for mercy. Do that in OT and watch your levels go ding ding ding.

Another option is just using a group as an uber-pet and fear kite mobs, very useful if you're low on healing. Goes a tad slower as you'll have to occasionally med, but unless you're no good or the group is stupid, you can still kill things quickly with no one taking any damage.
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Old 12-10-2019, 08:44 AM
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Necro.

They're a powerful solo exp class that also works well with a lot of different duo, trio, and group options.

You generally don't need to care about faction so you can go ahead and slaughter good NPCs (bards, guards, random townsfolk) for exp (or sometimes loot, like with guards); these camps are often quieter than other places so you can log on and immediately go to town without trying to find a camp.

Invis, invis vs undead, feign death, harmshield, pet allow you to travel around easily (just get some jboots or sow pots eventually, or tip druids/wizards for ports) both outdoors and in dungeons.

You have a lot of options: Fear kite with pet? Root rot? Lifetap tanking? Charming undead? Nuking undead? Some work better than others overall, but there are situations where a necro can deal with something that another class wouldn't be able to because of the different options they have.

FD is the ultimate "I randomly need to AFK while playing" tool.


Your other options aren't bad choices, but the necro stands out for what you're talking about imo.

Druid ports are convenient for self and for making cash, and druids are pretty versatile too: root rotting, charming animals, nuking stuff, quadding, lots of great buffs, snares and roots, acceptable healing. But they come up short overall compared to a necro imo, mostly because necros work as well indoors as out and have a strong pet without needing to charm and have amazing mana regen that druids never get.

Shaman is nice too. They're more straightforward than a necro or druid since they don't have any charm or pulling tricks to rely on to break up multiple spawns, but their mix of strong dots, great buffs, a pet, canni, slow, and resist debuffs carries them through. Most of the reason people think shamans are godly are because they're picturing a level 60 shaman with torpor. Shamans are a lot different before torpor than after because torpor gives the sham the staying power/brute force to win a fight even though they don't have the control or "oh shit" buttons a chanter (aoe stun, aoe mez, aoe blur) or necro (harmshield, feign death) have to use when they get in trouble; before torpor if they get behind the 8-ball, they don't really have a tool to right the ship except for perfect play and good luck on resists/root breaks.

Magician is too much of a one-trick pony to be a great all around solo character. They have no real way to pull or CC. They can farm solo pulls, or groups of lower-level mobs, well with strong pets and nukes but fall behind the others options above because of they lack the utility, mana regen, CC, etc., needed to handle themselves in most dungeon settings or against many stronger foes.
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Old 12-10-2019, 11:03 AM
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Necro.

They're a powerful solo exp class that also works well with a lot of different duo, trio, and group options.

You generally don't need to care about faction so you can go ahead and slaughter good NPCs (bards, guards, random townsfolk) for exp (or sometimes loot, like with guards); these camps are often quieter than other places so you can log on and immediately go to town without trying to find a camp.

Invis, invis vs undead, feign death, harmshield, pet allow you to travel around easily (just get some jboots or sow pots eventually, or tip druids/wizards for ports) both outdoors and in dungeons.

You have a lot of options: Fear kite with pet? Root rot? Lifetap tanking? Charming undead? Nuking undead? Some work better than others overall, but there are situations where a necro can deal with something that another class wouldn't be able to because of the different options they have.

FD is the ultimate "I randomly need to AFK while playing" tool.

Alright well you, along with everyone else speaking so highly of Necros, have pretty much convinced me that Necro is the class for me. The multiple ways to kill things and the many different tools in the Necro kit sounds like a lot of fun to play with. The ability to FD + AFK is also a pretty big deal for me. So, Necro it is!

Alright so, what race would you guys suggest? I'm leaning towards Erudite or Gnome because apparently they're the least KOS? I'm not too worried about faction considering I'll be killing guards, NPCs, Treants etc. for money. But, it would be nice to be able to buy/sell/bank/not be KOS in every city.
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Old 12-10-2019, 11:38 AM
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[QUOTE=Alright so, what race would you guys suggest? I'm leaning towards Erudite or Gnome because apparently they're the least KOS? I'm not too worried about faction considering I'll be killing guards, NPCs, Treants etc. for money. But, it would be nice to be able to buy/sell/bank/not be KOS in every city.[/QUOTE]

Human's/Erudite are blind as a bat at night so skip.

People will tell you to go Gnome because they have the least hated faction, but I killed everything and everyone so it seemed pointless to not go full evil.

So I went with Darkelf because I could kill 80% of the guards/bards and not care because I always had a home base to get my spells at. Also I don't touch Trolls or Ogers because I can use their cities and it's great for when you start to farm in Guk.

Just a little side not I have two characters a lvl 34 Necro and lvl 36 Ench.

Ench never purchased armor/research spells has 930p in the bank.

Necro purchased all lvl 29 & 34 research spells + multiple armor pieces ranging from 40p-300p and he has 2,320p in the bank from farming Highkeep and Halfling guards.

All pets after lvl 20 are research only but never had issues finding a fair price for them in EC. Also get a higher lvl Necro to combine the spells for you because Research is always behind and not worth grinding.

I bank in North FP where I'm maxed hated faction by running to bank using invs then just FD in front of bank teller and bam not you can use the bank.

Look up the 6 min bard diet for Necros. The 1st real sit at grind one is Misty in Karanas and the great thing is at night the vendor behind her become evil and you sell all the loot right there. Made a few hundred plat going from 12 to 16 with little risk. Also when you sit at Misty and you start to get a ton of Copper/silver just buy the instrument you been selling to the vendor for 4.5p and sell it back to her for 4p and it will convert all your copper/silver into to plat so weight wont be an issue and no need to bank.
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Old 12-10-2019, 10:24 PM
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Alright so, what race would you guys suggest? I'm leaning towards Erudite or Gnome because apparently they're the least KOS?
All of mine have been DE. Second only to Erudite in int, and you can go 1-20s (Nektulos>Lavastorm>Najena) without ever going more than one zone away from your home city, and anything you want/need to buy is also just a single zone away from home in EC.

In DE necro form I've spent far less time running somewhere and much more time killing things than with any other race. I mean, even if you do need to go someplace far away, EC with pretty much continual porting support is a 5 minute run down the road as long as you're bound at Neriak gate, and like I said there is no reason (other than change of pace) to be bound anywhere else until mid-20s.

Also DEs get the racial Hide trait. If you hide then FD, it will entirely clear your hate list and no other type of necro can do that. Hide is also a good way to break charm if you're charming undead.

And I never once really needed to go anywhere that I couldn't go. That said, I tend to have fun and make money and buy what I want rather than questing for the better items myself. If you like that part of the game a lot, then gnome may be better choice.

And DEs just look cool.

My second favorite necros though are gnomes, just because it's always amusing to see these little tiny guys stomping giant mobs so badly that you feel sorry for the mobs.
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Old 12-10-2019, 11:10 AM
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Don't worry about banking. You can bank even with a kos banker, either while FD next to him or while around a corner so he doesn't have line of sight to aggro you (you can still click on him to use as long as you're close, even if you don't have line of sight). Selling isn't a big deal usually; there are a lot of neutral/evil merchants tucked away in most zones.

I like gnomes personally. Their small size makes it easy to maneuver in tight spaces most dungeons have, and they can see through walls to assist with pulling and stuff. They get tinkering if you're interested in that, and have infravision and acceptable int. Erudites have the highest int but no night vision. Either works fine, really. Iksar is the best race for necros but any race makes a potent necro.
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Old 12-10-2019, 11:20 AM
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Gnome wall vision's value cant be understated. I'd roll an iksar over a gnome for a necro, but gnome over any other race.
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Old 12-10-2019, 11:52 AM
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The bard NPC's for the "bard diet" aren't currently in green/teal, BTW.
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Old 12-10-2019, 12:07 PM
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The bard NPC's for the "bard diet" aren't currently in green/teal, BTW.
Some of them aren't maybe. Misty, at the very least, definitely is.

Oh, I also saw the one in the bar in east freeport (https://wiki.project1999.com/Fabian). I suspect most or all of them are in and am curious why you thought none of them were.
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