What would you roll if.........

[Shadey]

Originally Posted by Doors [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No matter how twinked out a caster gets, you're going to be medding a shit ton. Even a fungi on a shaman you're spamming canni more than you're actually fighting mobs.

Melees you twink the fuck out and go, fungi covers hp regen, hybrid mana isn't really an issue downtime for med isn't bad.

up to about lvl 16 sure. But as mobs get harder so does the need to sit and regen hp because they hit a lot harder. Sure the fungi will help a lot. But a necro kiting yellow con mobs and medding while agro kiting will out xp a melee easy.

[soup]

Originally Posted by Shadey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

up to about lvl 16 sure. But as mobs get harder so does the need to sit and regen hp because they hit a lot harder. Sure the fungi will help a lot. But a necro kiting yellow con mobs and medding while agro kiting will out xp a melee easy.

Well, for one thing, he didn't say a uber twinked melee out exps the necro, he said it's not as exciting, since the caster does the same damage no matter how much you twink it, whereas the melee can be doing OMFG RAPE damage relative to it's level.

Past that, as someone who has recently leveled a necro into the 50s and very recently leveled a monk to 50, I firmly believe that my monk was leveling much MUCH quicker than the necro. However, I do think the monk had the 25% exp bonus going and the necro didn't, but the monk was leveling much quicker, so it probably balances out about the same.

Uber twinking just doesn't do as much for casters as it does for melee. Obviously it's a huge help, but just doesn't have the same effect, though there are exceptions. For example, if you have a Rod of Annihilation on your necro, you can melee for 120 at level 20. Using that and a Tola robe will give you an insane DPS boost.

[Shadey]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, for one thing, he didn't say a uber twinked melee out exps the necro, he said it's not as exciting, since the caster does the same damage no matter how much you twink it, whereas the melee can be doing OMFG RAPE damage relative to it's level.

Past that, as someone who has recently leveled a necro into the 50s and very recently leveled a monk to 50, I firmly believe that my monk was leveling much MUCH quicker than the necro. However, I do think the monk had the 25% exp bonus going and the necro didn't, but the monk was leveling much quicker, so it probably balances out about the same.

Uber twinking just doesn't do as much for casters as it does for melee. Obviously it's a huge help, but just doesn't have the same effect, though there are exceptions. For example, if you have a Rod of Annihilation on your necro, you can melee for 120 at level 20. Using that and a Tola robe will give you an insane DPS boost.

The dmg is relative to the necros hp, mana pool and mana/hp regen. Swap out that fungi for a mana stone. Get lots of hp/mana/int gear. Get all the spells (costs a lot as you lvl up and increases dmg A LOT just like twinking a melee does). Once the Lich surpasses the Mana Stone you can sell it or throw it to an alt.

As far as a Monk lvln as fast as necro I doubt that and as you said it had the xp bonus going. Which makes a big difference.

As far as fun it all depends on what you like. A necro can do OMFG dmg too when played right. LOL.

[soup]

Originally Posted by Shadey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The dmg is relative to the necros hp, mana pool and mana/hp regen. Swap out that fungi for a mana stone. Get lots of hp/mana/int gear. Get all the spells (costs a lot as you lvl up and increases dmg A LOT just like twinking a melee does). Once the Lich surpasses the Mana Stone you can sell it or throw it to an alt.

As far as a Monk lvln as fast as necro I doubt that and as you said it had the xp bonus going. Which makes a big difference.

As far as fun it all depends on what you like. A necro can do OMFG dmg too when played right. LOL.

I don't really understand how you're missing the point so terribly.

Gear doesn't increase the necros damage. Period. It gives a larger pool of health and mana to work with. His damage is the same. The fact that you mention having up to date spells as if it wasn't a given shows you aren't even close to being on the same page we're talking about in regard to uber twinks. The difference in damage between an uber twink necro and regular geared necro is zero. The spells do the same damage either way.

Now compare the damage difference between a no haste monk with Fighting Batons to a 24%+ hasted monk with a RFS and lots of STR gear. The difference is absolutely absurd.

It sounds like you haven't played an uber twink melee (or any uber twink for that matter) so I'm not sure what you use to make the judgement that a uber tiwnked monk couldn't level as fast as a necro.

[Supaskillz]

It depends on what you enjoy. I think the large toolkits of bards, ench and necros allows you to try a lot of different things and challenge yourself by pushing their limits. A shaman with a fungi tunic is alot of fun b/c your mana regen is sick with canni. Monks solo pretty well with mend+fungi+nice dps, although any melee with a fungi tunic can solo though alot of levels.
In general I think the twinkage is going to show up alot more on melee than on casters. Spend 1k or 100k on your necro and it wont change that much as to what you are able to do.

[Shadey]

Isn't my experience but all have their favs and their way of looking at things. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] A lot depends on how you play your char too.

[Supaskillz]

I never laughed at people for being twinked nor was aware of anyone with such prejudice and the only online rpg I ever played was eq from 99-02. Twinking is fun imo especially when you hit 60 and have mostly bis on your main.

[Doors]

The last time I was on live around PoP every one twinked their alts. Running into someone who wasn't twinked was something that rarely happened.

And yeah twinks can be little assholes, but people with nothing are nice only for the sole reason that they usually want handouts. Give someone 100k plat let me know the day they give it back to you with the response "sorry classik exp only lol" wont happen.

[Wudan]

look what you can do with your 100k ...

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=37209

fuck twinks

[quellren]

this guy is asking for advice on what a fun twink class is, and the result is a 7 page weener measuring contest about necro knowledge.

And the sad part is, it doesn't even matter.
As a necro, I'd estimate that I'm 85% effective naked as I am with my 20k in gear.
Yeah, I'm missing some HP and mana, but my pet does the same damage, my spells do the same damage.
My brother-in-law monk, and frequent groupmate, on the other hand, does 'good' DPS naked, and when he gets all dressed up in his ~10-12k pp of gear (Wu's sticks and such) his DPS almost doubles, according to the parse logs I often run. he also takes less damage, and takes hits less often. He doesn't even have a fungi robe. I'm sure it'd be a bigger difference if he did.

There is no question who benefits more from nice gear.