Wurmslayer Nerf - Clarification

[greatdane]

Wurmslayer is a fairly good weapon, especially until level 45 or so when your damage bonus becomes less negligible. Really fast weapons like JM and SCD start to lose some appeal in the very endgame when 100% haste becomes realistic, because melee attacks can't go below 10 modified delay. If you're haste-capped, which is possible with the best haste item and buff, your 9/18 weapon basically becomes a 9/20 weapon. That doesn't make Wurmslayer better because it isn't a truly endgame weapon, but it's something to consider anyway. A lot of those 13/17ish NToV weapons were considered unimpressive for this reason while many of the best weapons were 15/20.

[Lucia Moonglow]

That's my point, really. The damage bonus is small, people don't see that.

The damage bonus difference between a wurmslayer and a jade mace is about 4 DPS at level 60, and at lower levels the wurmslayer is actually better.

People talk crap about the weapon mostly because it's slow, but it's one of the best buyable 1HS weapons in the game and is an awesome twink weapon for a character once they hit level 20.

Nobody's claiming that it's an endgame weapon, but to call it useless merely because it's primary only is a very uninformed statement.

[Poeshoe]

Just thinking depending on your race class, there are oodles of better ratios out there for hybrids/ Warriors (proccing weapons) etc. why would you want a weapon with a huge delay when you could have an 18/26 or a 17/30 or something similar. To each his own indeed. yea i dont know much about damage bonuses, and your right i had it pinned mainly on the delay, not the ratio or the bonus, all i know is i would probably go with a moss/lammy/noct blade/sword of the mourning

Honestly, i was just trying to learn something from this thread, and by doing that i had to tromp through a bunch of troll messages and it just pisses me off that people have to be so completely E-tarded instead of trying to be remotely helpful or informative in any way. So that was my reason for posting to be honest >.<

[Lucia Moonglow]

Originally Posted by Poeshoe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just thinking depending on your race class, there are oodles of better ratios out there for hybrids/ Warriors (proccing weapons) etc. why would you want a weapon with a huge delay when you could have an 18/26 or a 17/30 or something similar. To each his own indeed. yea i dont know much about damage bonuses, and your right i had it pinned mainly on the delay, not the ratio or the bonus, all i know is i would probably go with a moss/lammy/noct blade/sword of the mourning

Honestly, i was just trying to learn something from this thread, and by doing that i had to tromp through a bunch of troll messages and it just pisses me off that people have to be so completely E-tarded instead of trying to be remotely helpful or informative in any way. So that was my reason for posting to be honest >.<

A lot of what you assume is true. 18/26 and 17/30 are both better ratios and would have more DPS anyway. The Wurmslayer's high damage output simply comes from its damage/delay ratio. Obviously a weapon with a better ratio would have better DPS. Also, a weapon with the same ratio would have more DPS if it were faster.

The general rule with one-handed weapons when determining DPS is the ratio. However, because the main hand damage bonus is the same for every weapon and because it's a flat bonus rather than percentage-based, if you have two 1H weapons with the same ratio, you should always pick the faster of the two. However, the actual benefit from the damage bonus is pretty small, so in the case of the wurmslayer you'd need a weapon with a close ratio in order to surpass its DPS. The fact is that the wurmslayer feels worse because of how slow it is. You're not getting a constant spam of damage so it feels like you're doing less DPS, but the math is pretty solid in that it's stronger than most faster weapons you can buy before you're in the high 40s or low 50s.

Two-handed weapons are different (provided the 2H damage bonus is in effect). They're actually the opposite, in that when selecting between two weapons with the same ratio you actually want the one with the lower delay because the damage bonus will be higher.

Obviously, all of these considerations are moot if you're getting a weapon with a specific proc on it such as a BoC, where the proc is more important than the DPS of the weapon itself (though a BoC does have nice DPS too).