Earthcaller vs Swarmcaller

[Azure Ogre]

T staff is also a 0.97 ratio (with a 120dd) compared to a 0.70 swarmcaller, not even worth comparing those two dps wise because it’s not close. Once you take the main hand bonus damage into account, dual wielding epics with the higher haste and attack should do significantly more dps than a swarmcaller.

[sogundordor]

with log parsing the log its easy to find out proc per min, if dex is the same
according to "Weapon proc" from wiki, assuming its true, i made the following graph:
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when max 255dex, there should be 2ppm
at 85dex, there is 1ppm
and the graph looks linear, it can assume that there is some kind of "bouns" you got 0.5ppm at 0dex
i'll try to compare my data base on this graph between weapon form different classes(different dex)
direct compare if weapon can use by same class(try to wear same dex)

with my small data pool atm, it seems:
1) all weapon have a higher ppm than the graph
2) some different ppm between weapons

I'll post a report when i get some more log~




about the funny dps comparison, theoretically from jklein.me/eqcalc
wondering if someone can upload some log of epic~
Swarmcaller:
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Dual Epic:
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[sogundordor]

Originally Posted by sogundordor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

with log parsing the log its easy to find out proc per min, if dex is the same
according to "Weapon proc" from wiki, assuming its true, i made the following graph:
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when max 255dex, there should be 2ppm
at 85dex, there is 1ppm
and the graph looks linear, it can assume that there is some kind of "bouns" you got 0.5ppm at 0dex

*(ahh, i feel like a student now~its a linear equation)
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i'll try to compare my data base on this graph between weapon form different classes(different dex)
direct compare if weapon can use by same class(try to wear same dex)

with my small data pool atm, it seems:
1) all weapon have a higher ppm than the graph
2) some different ppm between weapons

I'll post a report when i get some more log~




about the funny dps comparison, theoretically from jklein.me/eqcalc
wondering if someone can upload some log of epic~
Swarmcaller:
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Dual Epic:
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[Cecily]

Originally Posted by sogundordor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

with log parsing the log its easy to find out proc per min, if dex is the same
according to "Weapon proc" from wiki, assuming its true, i made the following graph:
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when max 255dex, there should be 2ppm
at 85dex, there is 1ppm
and the graph looks linear, it can assume that there is some kind of "bouns" you got 0.5ppm at 0dex
i'll try to compare my data base on this graph between weapon form different classes(different dex)
direct compare if weapon can use by same class(try to wear same dex)

with my small data pool atm, it seems:
1) all weapon have a higher ppm than the graph
2) some different ppm between weapons

I'll post a report when i get some more log~




about the funny dps comparison, theoretically from jklein.me/eqcalc
wondering if someone can upload some log of epic~
Swarmcaller:
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Dual Epic:
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I love how calculator completely rips off the the spreadsheet model I created years ago to compare weapons for rangers.

[Stonewallx39]

I had a ranger in plane of hate with me last night. He was level 60 and using Winters Fury (13/23 so slightly worse ratio than epic) and offhand epic I also had him parse the swarmcaller.

Super not scientific but the the swarmcaller parsed between 37-68 dps on a variety of mobs. The two one handers gave results between 44 and 61. I’m not trying to make a definitive point, just wanted to share if you do end up melee’ing for an extended period of time with Swarmcaller waiting for it to proc you won’t lose a ton of dps compared to dual epics.

[sogundordor]

Originally Posted by Stonewallx39 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I had a ranger in plane of hate with me last night. He was level 60 and using Winters Fury (13/23 so slightly worse ratio than epic) and offhand epic I also had him parse the swarmcaller.

Super not scientific but the the swarmcaller parsed between 37-68 dps on a variety of mobs. The two one handers gave results between 44 and 61. I’m not trying to make a definitive point, just wanted to share if you do end up melee’ing for an extended period of time with Swarmcaller waiting for it to proc you won’t lose a ton of dps compared to dual epics.

Can he slow those mobs with Swarmcaller in PoH? they are mostly 50+

[Stonewallx39]

Originally Posted by sogundordor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can he slow those mobs with Swarmcaller in PoH? they are mostly 50+

I didn’t ask, we were testing the dps as he was certain dual wielding did more damage. It ended up being pretty close though and suspect a better ratio 2hander would walk away compared to offhand epic and most mainhand weapons below 11/18 ratio.

I would also note these are planes era mobs which have AC / tuning completely different than Velious raid mobs where the faster 1handed weapons might perform better. This is the general consensus but definitely not the case for a monk comparing t-staff to epic mainhand + SoS (yes I know I keep posting that insight but I’ve tested it on several velious raid mobs and that’s all I’ve got).

[Toxigen]

You don't use swarmcaller for DPS. You use it to proc slow (if needed), then you swap to SBoZ / Swiftwind.

[sogundordor]

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heres the log parse of 3 weapon with proc i got, their proc rate are quite close
when i killing different mob with different char/gear, there is some 'feeling' of some weapon proc more, after log parse, there is only a few % of difference which is way smaller than the difference of feeling
although i can't prove "all' weapons have the same proc rate, but here we have weapons from Kunark and Velious era, loot from soloable mob and raid mob, i started to believe there is not big difference between weapon procs rate as i heard before

back to the topic, can anyone with earthcaller pls send me your log?
knowing more about the game is very fun to me hehe

*data collected from raid, maybe interrupted by doing buff or chasing flee, real proc rate should be a little bit higher
**collected from killing tar goos in WL, no cast during fight
***collected from killing coldain, no cast during fight, just not long enough , its better to kill more

[Pint]

I'll try to get you some parses, my ranger has an earthcaller but he is naggy/vox locked