Did they ever? ...

[Surpent]

With a 1.5 second casting time stun and in a corner it's pretty easy to get stun off as an enchanter. Combine that with 8 second stun and PbAoe mez and it's pretty easy to get bad situations under control.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought extensive parsing ended up showing that AC wasn't as important as people thought though. But maybe I'm think like Luclin/PoP area and something had changed or something like that.

this was more late velious/luclin where the hard cap (and tiny returns after for few classes) was actually attainable.

In classic and to a lesser extent kunark it wasn’t really possible to achieve enough worn ac to completely squelch NPCs attack.

Ie in 95% of cases on live ‘more ac’ was good advice.

As I understand.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Surpent [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With a 1.5 second casting time stun and in a corner it's pretty easy to get stun off as an enchanter. Combine that with 8 second stun and PbAoe mez and it's pretty easy to get bad situations under control.

Imo it’s pretty crazy that encs get to circumvent the max duration on player cast stuns. No comment on whether that is classic or not.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this was more late velious/luclin where the hard cap (and tiny returns after for few classes) was actually attainable.

In classic and to a lesser extent kunark it wasn’t really possible to achieve enough worn ac to completely squelch NPCs attack.

Ie in 95% of cases on live ‘more ac’ was good advice.

As I understand.

Ah that makes sense thanks

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imo it’s pretty crazy that encs get to circumvent the max duration on player cast stuns. No comment on whether that is classic or not.

This is P99: when it comes to Enchanters, classic isn't even a concern.

[Penish]

imagine playing a necbro over an ench

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Wakanda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monks were never this tanky either. I know people will be like oMg tHe MoNk miTiGaTioN NeRf cAmE LaTeR!!! I'm not talking about that nerf. I'm talking about during classic. I was a monk main in 1999. I was one of the first high level monks on my entire server.

Enjoyed your post a lot (yes Enchanters are definitely unclassic here) but I can't fully agree with this part if we're talking Velious era. From what I remember, Monks really did become great tanks at that point, and a lot of Monks were mad about how gear-dependent the class became, because before the expansions the whole mantra of the class was you forgo possessions, just needing your fists and simple clothing. My friend had a 60 Monk and Warrior during Velious and found the Monk to be completely better for grouping; no noticeable lack of tanking ability, while doing more DPS and Feign Death pulling.

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a log of mcoy's wizard (Qien?) Getting owned by a green con skelly in 2001. Channeling definitely OP on P99 the is no question

Channeling is OP on p99, but dying to a green con is just bad gameplay. Cast root inbetween attack swings and back up.

Originally Posted by Penish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

imagine playing a necbro over an ench

Necro was super OP in 1999. Lifetaps completely unresistible for a period of time. Being able to kite without DoT's doing reduced damage for a period of time. Their pets attacking faster when given low delay weapons. The pet was able to farm a lot of things on its own, while the Necro literally went to bed, with Feign Death protecting them from any danger.

[Fragged]

I think necro pet's poofed when you FDed in 1999. I played a necro on live, and it was one of the first things i noticed on p99.

But yeah like many have said, I might be remembering wrong as well.

I charmed a lot, so might be confusing it with charmed pet. As did my chanter friend just for those that said chanters didn't charm in that era. I would always solo Frenzy and he would solo Magi.

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enjoyed your post a lot (yes Enchanters are definitely unclassic here) but I can't fully agree with this part if we're talking Velious era. From what I remember, Monks really did become great tanks at that point, and a lot of Monks were mad about how gear-dependent the class became, because before the expansions the whole mantra of the class was you forgo possessions, just needing your fists and simple clothing. My friend had a 60 Monk and Warrior during Velious and found the Monk to be completely better for grouping; no noticeable lack of tanking ability, while doing more DPS and Feign Death pulling.

I'm mostly basing this off of pre-kunark experiences with monks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] my friend played a monk and I played a cleric when P99 green first launched. They tanked for like 95% of my groups all the way until level 50, and they weren't a twink. They were legit wearing cloth armor and had no HP rings or anything. I remember being baffled since my monk had way better gear but there's no way I would have been main tanking in Lower Guk or Sol B the way they were despite the fact that their gear was virtually non-existant.

There's other things that I know are inaccurate too. I lived on monky-business and thesafehouse (monk and rogue forums). There's no instance of Rogues ever being able to solo backstab from the front the way they can on P99.

https://thesafehouse.org/forums/foru...ide-to-soloing

This is something I tried to do repeatedly as a kid. I discovered frontal backstabbing in PVP from jousting warriors and monks that I couldn't go toe to toe with. But I never once got it to work on mobs and don't know anyone who did.

Weird thing to complain about though since rogues suck at solo'ing and its almost impossible to find groups. But like... whenever I hear people talk about it like it's classic I'm just like.. aint no way, fam. aint no damn way.

I dont even think anyone would have ever put AA points in chaotic stab if this were the case, lol.

[Wakanda]

For the record, I don’t hate p99 or its staff lol

I just sometimes wish I could play a version of the game that didn’t revolve around enchanters because that’s not a classic experience for me

And this is funny because enchanter is my fav thing to play on p99, but I think maybe I could adapt to playing something else if charm wasn’t the way it is ��

Also idk …. I never have enchanters in my group on my shaman or cleric, really the only time I have enchanters in my group is when I’m playing one so it’s a weird complaint…

When p99 was new tho I felt like my entire gameplay revolved around enchanters in my groups.