Question for 60 mages

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by enjchanter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mages are a great dps class it's just that there's no lfg scene at level 60 for them to thrive in.

Indeed.

They never will but if they ever did give us Luclin AAs (without kitties on the moon) - they'd have a good productive job to do after hitting 60 other than being CoTH bots. Had a blast playing and leveling my mage ... but now that she's 60 there is no reason to ever log her in really other than to do necessary guild/raid functions.

[Eisai]

Originally Posted by enjchanter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mages are a great dps class it's just that there's no lfg scene at level 60 for them to thrive in.

Or any other 60 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Delevel to 59, sell some essence and flag LFG is what i do. Or, ya know, roll another char, is what i do. (really)

[Balimon]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

is air staff'd 59 pet actually the best non epic all-purpose pet at 60?

100%

[enjchanter]

Originally Posted by Eisai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or any other 60 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Delevel to 59, sell some essence and flag LFG is what i do. Or, ya know, roll another char, is what i do. (really)

Monks shamans enchanters clerics and super geared sk's to an extent can all do relevant camps at 60 like crypt , fungi, lodi, drusella, juggs etc

Mages will never be invited to these things based on class alone.

[Goregasmic]

Is there a particular reason why sebilis is dead on p99? Back on live it was swarming with people. Pretty much the place to be 55+. Last time I went there was like 2 players in there.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is there a particular reason why sebilis is dead on p99? Back on live it was swarming with people. Pretty much the place to be 55+. Last time I went there was like 2 players in there.

I think it's largely because of staff choices: they changed the meta of what counts as a camp, and also changed the positioning of the mobs around the fungi king.

Before (on live and here) Seb had two highly in-demand group camps: fungi king and crypt/emperor (plus other less-popular ones, like disco or bugs). People would happily come out to Seb to fill groups for those camps (or a lesser camp while they wait). As a result, the zone could support 24+ players.

But then the staff split crypt into four individual solo camps. P99 is all about efficiency, so if one Shaman is able to solo Heiro cloaks, that's going to become the standard ... even if it means there's now half as many highly desirable camps for 6-man groups.

Around the same time, the staff also did something (fuzzy on the details) with the mobs around the king, making it possible to farm him without less than a full group. Again, if you can just trio (or whatever) a fungi tunic, there's no reason to have a full group involved, so that became the standard.

With both fungi and CE gone, no one is gonna come out just to do Bugs or Disco, so at this point it's a BYOG zone. If it ever started to become a popular PUG spot again, the soloers/duos/trios would just take the best items and drive everyone else off.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's largely because of staff choices: they changed the meta of what counts as a camp, and also changed the positioning of the mobs around the fungi king.

Before (on live and here) Seb had two highly in-demand group camps: fungi king and crypt/emperor (plus other less-popular ones, like disco or bugs). People would happily come out to Seb to fill groups for those camps (or a lesser camp while they wait). As a result, the zone could support 24+ players.

But then the staff split crypt into four individual solo camps. P99 is all about efficiency, so if one Shaman is able to solo Heiro cloaks, that's going to become the standard ... even if it means there's now half as many highly desirable camps for 6-man groups.

Around the same time, the staff also did something (fuzzy on the details) with the mobs around the king, making it possible to farm him without less than a full group. Again, if you can just trio (or whatever) a fungi tunic, there's no reason to have a full group involved, so that became the standard.

With both fungi and CE gone, no one is gonna come out just to do Bugs or Disco, so at this point it's a BYOG zone. If it ever started to become a popular PUG spot again, the soloers/duos/trios would just take the best items and drive everyone else off.

There was also a period where you couldn’t xp in raid zones if you wanted to fight the raid boss when it spawned.

[Goregasmic]

Aww gotcha. Disco isnt a bad camp but if you're going to split it into possibly 5 camps (pickler/grup/commander/brogg/frenzied) then it isn't worth it as much. Hell you don't even have to split it, if one jerk just comes and takes one of your most profitable camps that's very irritating. I understand why they did it like that though, if you started defining every camp in the game it would never end but they could have made an exception for sebilis due to its layout instead of killing it.

And if I remember correctly for the fungi they changed the pathing so you can't really duo (much less solo) it now, you have to be 3+ to handle some pulls. Not the end of the world but it makes it potentially less profitable.

[enjchanter]

Yeah I remember back when I was coming up on p99 and it was not only reasonable but expected that I could sit at seb entrance and find a group. Now the zone is completely empty. I remember even joining random xp groups on my raid geared enchanter just to hang out and help for fun.

Now the only spot where you can go and expect to find a group is CoM and KC , I don't think even velks is a group zone anymore

[Snaggles]

It’s not because of staff choices.

How many people are on blue or green vs any server from live around 2001?
How long have we lived with Kunark vs that same memory of Seb from live?
How much of that gear is either valuable to use or sell?
How many people here group to 60 instead of solo/duo?

Time is the factor here, with server population being the other. Even if we had 1500 people on one server despite the old hat of Kunark still being true, you would see more people dispersed through the zones.

If p99 had some new blood I would go back to Seb in an instant. It’s a wild zone. We just know enough to not sit in Seb all day this time around, and nobody is there so that’s even an easier choice.