AC and p99

[Naethyn]

AC is trash unless you are fighting trash.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Solist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What the fuck are you talking about.

I’d give up 100hp for 30 ac every day, 20 times in a row for group content.

Half the raid targets in the game I would too. Especially those I need to support myself extensively.

There is about 8 mobs in the entire game that raw HP matters, where their level/atk power is just so stupid you stack HP. AC is just incredible otherwise. Just go parse some shit before you talk so much shit.

except ranger* but ya already know that

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Solist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And knowing which few fights that's also critical to do so on if you still have the option to do so (which a BIS tank doesnt, but if you're at 6500-6700ish hp, you have plenty of options for super high AC stacked set and only sacrificing a few hundred hp).

If this the target reader, sure do whatever you want.

If this is a rando knight with 4500hps instead of 5500 raid buffed get some chardok drops and rethink your goals. The CH chain won’t be any different if you have high or low AC, you just will probably die more often.

[Naethyn]

Also, the AC displayed isn’t even the number that is used. Same goes for ATK. HP on the other hand is pretty accurate.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ranger ac is broke, doesnt work. Knights do, i noticed a nice change at 1300

Can you elaborate on ranger AC being broke?

Most of the seemingly good ranger guides out there are like "if you want to have a good time as a ranger build it like a tank" but then everyone says you'll be fear/bow kiting to 60 so at that point str/dex/mana seems to make more sense?

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you elaborate on ranger AC being broke?

Most of the seemingly good ranger guides out there are like "if you want to have a good time as a ranger build it like a tank" but then everyone says you'll be fear/bow kiting to 60 so at that point str/dex/mana seems to make more sense?

Claims are made that after a very low amount of worn AC rangers get no further benefit, almost as if they have a very low cap on worn ac with no post cap returns. Or something like that.

Certainly my ranger gets whaled on by easy mobs, despite having a fair whack of AC gear, but even a small amount of spell AC seems to help /shrug. anecodotal / unmeasured / untests on my part, but I've seen others present evidence, such as parses of rangers tanking worse than shamans (perhaps the shaman was just better buffed? idk).

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Claims are made that after a very low amount of worn AC rangers get no further benefit, almost as if they have a very low cap on worn ac with no post cap returns. Or something like that.

Certainly my ranger gets whaled on by easy mobs, despite having a fair whack of AC gear, but even a small amount of spell AC seems to help /shrug. anecodotal / unmeasured / untests on my part, but I've seen others present evidence, such as parses of rangers tanking worse than shamans (perhaps the shaman was just better buffed? idk).

I almost wonder if rangers were designed to capitalize on avoidance AC. From a DnD perspective that would make sense. They are supposed to be good at dodging and parrying, rather than heavily relying on armor. That's why they get the Weaponshield disc.

If they were designed around avoidance AC, that may be why the have a lower worn AC cap. Sadly avoidance AC doesn't do much on p99, so Rangers just get screwed over.

[Jimjam]

The consipiracy theory is we are using a nerfed version of dodge, etc from titanium era where they wanted to increase the skill caps (since max level had increased), but didn't want dodge and the like to become overpowered so just scaled down lower skill levels to stretch out the benefit of increased skill a little longer. Or something like that.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you elaborate on ranger AC being broke?

Most of the seemingly good ranger guides out there are like "if you want to have a good time as a ranger build it like a tank" but then everyone says you'll be fear/bow kiting to 60 so at that point str/dex/mana seems to make more sense?

i mean you can have 1400 ac but it wont help like on a knight or war or shm, AC is just broken on ranger specifically. feel free to parse and test its already been done tons and dont really feel like rehashing.

[Troxx]

Haven't ever actually parsed my ranger but it seems to get absolutely smushed even in xp group content compared to warrior, pal, monk, sham, or even my bard with similar ac. This was observed from all the way up to 60 on all of the above classes.

Again ... I haven't parsed but it certainly 'feels' really 'not right' for the ranger class specifically.