The end of Velious - class discussion.

[Arrisard]

Originally Posted by Nuggie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

weren't paladins bitching about getting out dps'd by clerics at some point? maybe that was luclin..

That was with that ridiculous summoned hammer IIRC, don't remember when that was exactly.

[Arkanjil]

Think that was a Luclin or PoP spell....badass hammer hehe.

[Wildas]

At the end of velious was the great melee patch, which fixed hybrids for most part.

Monks became insane with top end gear, rivaling warriors in pure non defensive tanking due to the abundance of high ac/hp all/all or all melee items in ntov/kael (60 ac legs anyone?). Also put out dps just behind rogues.

Enchanters didn't do shit but buff and tash due to insane mr and mez/stun immunity on high end mobs, combined with mobs being very high level in general. They did kick ass in fights in kael tho.

Druids improve with the addition of nature's touch, and debuffs worth putting on mobs, but they're still probably the weakest raiding class. Also protection of the glades had mana regen and did stack w/ marzin's mark to give more hp/mana than aegolism.

Magicians could land spells after debuffs but it wasn't but a dent in the hp of a several hundred thousand hp mob, pets couldn't survive AEs well. So basically they made mod rods. Epic pet was a beast tank in single groups (and also pets could hold aggro over melee until the very end of velious)

Necros could land a number of their -resist check dots, but stacking issues prevented more than 1 from doing much dps. Additionally dots are low dps compared to melee damage, especially with the low AC of velious mobs and the lack of funeral pyre of kelador.

Bards were bards.

Shaman were awesome, and high end gear directly benefited their soloing of hard mobs.

Wizards were ok dps with the addition of bane spells, however they usually couldn't put out nearly as much as a rogue/monk on raid bosses.

Rangers had weapon shield, and a lot of their damage table/skill cap problems put behind them. Became a very solid, if average class at this point in time.

Paladins basically only had AE heal going for them, and it had a long recast, minorly helpful in dps groups when you lacked clerics. They improved a lot in this department with, healing wave of prexus I think it was, during luclin.

Sks were solid as offtanks/pullers. Didn't have all that much else going for them. But similar to paladins could put out mediocre damage without needing a ton of healing on bosses.

Warriors had... defensive. Although with top end gear I recall warriors really outclassing paladins and sks in group tanking (although honestly it was a toss up vs monks).

Rogue dps was still top notch, but not the complete devastation it was over other classes at the end of kunark due to no increase in weapon damage for BS. Rogues went from 15/25 and 14/23 to 15/19 and 14/18. While monks went from 9/16 and 17/28 to 16/19 and 15/18.

Clerics were as useful as always, and with the melee proc hammer could put out some decent dps.

[Vladesch]

I'd say that the end of velious was the end of the golden age for enchanters.
With luclin came kei, and many groups would simply opt for another dps and heal through the occasional adds with all the extra mana.
Kinda of annoying when youre sitting around LFG and the only tells you get are to come KEI some group. (which I felt was fair enough to refuse if they intended to leave me sitting LFG)

Thou later expansions made it even worse. POP was ok for a while but OOW really killed it for many with bread and butter spells requiring raids to get.

I can recall not being able to get my high level mez, not because we couldnt kill the mob, but because it was never up.
Oh, and IIRC another zone it dropped as a rare drop off common mobs really required you to already have the spell to get a group. Great thinking SOE!
(been 7 years so my recollection is a little hazy)

[Rais]

It's a eye opener hearing peoples experiences and what they did. Necro on raids? We maybe had 2. If you needed a herd of necros for ch chains in velious,you were doing something wrong.

Wizards in Velious were kings. TOV,king tormax ,Yeli, top damage dealers. Mod rods and 2 Necro man's pumpers helped our wizards be a wrecking crew. Rogues were next followed by our 1 ranger with trueshot, then followed by monks. Very rarely did a melee dps group out do wizards.

This held true all the way to shadows of luclin.

Mages, necros,paladin, shadowknight, rangers and never numbered more than 2 on our raids.

[Nytewind TP]

Originally Posted by Kassel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought the monk nerf was the first month of SoL

I thought this as well. Monks were nerfed due to the fact they were pretty damn strong during Velious. Monks tanked well back then.

[Nytewind TP]

Originally Posted by Vladesch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd say that the end of velious was the end of the golden age for enchanters.
With luclin came kei, and many groups would simply opt for another dps and heal through the occasional adds with all the extra mana.
Kinda of annoying when youre sitting around LFG and the only tells you get are to come KEI some group. (which I felt was fair enough to refuse if they intended to leave me sitting LFG)

That is one thing I'll miss about SoL. KEI was always wanted and I loved MGB [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Luclin had it's things that a lot of people didn't like, but every expanison has a few things that were just fun & cool.

[Tiggles]

I hope we get luclin and pop

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hope we get luclin and pop

Not sure if srs

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hope we get luclin and pop

Agreed. I would be fine with nothing else after that though.

I think a lot of people don't like Luclin but like AAs.