I Dont Feel Like Playing My Mage Anymore....

[WarpathEQ]

Mages (and casters in general) always experienced a relative power decline as progression occurs, this is a function of how much more melee classes scale with gear, how trivial old expansions became after acquiring gear from new expansions, and the extended time locked world we live in where people have multiple toons with full BIS items.

There is a difference between nerfing and bug fixes. The DoT change was fixing a bug that was causing DoTs to not do their full damage while rooted without doing a round of combat post root, the fix elminated the need for the mob to engage in combat post root in order to receive full DoT dmg.

Other changes are made to fix exploits in emergent gameplay i.e. the rooting of dragons, the chain summoning pets, or pet tracking to preserve the viable strategies and tactics available to P99 players and align them with the strategies and tactics that were being leveraged in '99-'01.

Part of the beauty of EQ is there is no 1 class that does everything. Its meant to be a world that requires collaboration to achieve bigger outcomes. Mages like every class have their neiches that they can do where others can't...

4x DAs - Can move entire raids through highly contested/difficult zones in a matter of minutes when clearing would take hours
CoTH - Remember when we did the no coth quake? How much more difficulty there is when you don't have a mage as a resource to short cut content and get to outcomes faster
Mod Rods - Can be the difference between winning and losing big time contested mobs (unless you're in the zerg guild that has 2x the required people for the kill).
Epic Pet - Strongest summoned pet in the game by far, capable of doing virtually all 1-50 content on its own with little to no interaction from the player.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Drueric [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure but.. mages used to be stronger than they are. So explain why we got nerfed?

from what i remember hearing about classic p99 - any encounter could be done as long as you had an army of mages with their pets. trivialized content like Plane of Sky. prob had something to do with it in addition to the other aspects people mentioned.

ive never once played a mage in EQ, so im not sure personally how weak they are

[loramin]

Originally Posted by WarpathEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mages (and casters in general) always experienced a relative power decline as progression occurs, this is a function of how much more melee classes scale with gear, how trivial old expansions became after acquiring gear from new expansions, and the extended time locked world we live in where people have multiple toons with full BIS items.

This is very true; a Mage on a fresh Green server is much more powerful than a Mage on an "past its expiration date" server like Green 1.0.

Originally Posted by WarpathEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Other changes are made to fix exploits in emergent gameplay i.e. the rooting of dragons, the chain summoning pets, or pet tracking to preserve the viable strategies and tactics available to P99 players and align them with the strategies and tactics that were being leveraged in '99-'01.

One of those things does not belong.

Dragging dragons all over and pet tracking were extremely rare (if practiced at all) in classic ... but In what universe is "chain summoning pets" considered "emerging gameplay"?!? It's literally one of only two options (the other being "keep your pet alive") that were available to every Mage player in '99-'01.

There was nothing "emergent" at all about chaining pets, so there's no justification for their unclassic agro here. If chained pets really was too powerful here, either A) it's because they were powerful in classic (and the goal of this place is to recreate tht), or B) it's because the devs got something wrong/unclassic (and they should have fixed that rather than making pet agro unclassic).

[loramin]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

from what i remember hearing about classic p99 - any encounter could be done as long as you had an army of mages with their pets. trivialized content like Plane of Sky. prob had something to do with it in addition to the other aspects people mentioned.

Kingdom's first alt army was a ton of mages that they used to burn through Sky (and other content) in the server's earlier days. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But again, the goal of this place is classic EQ, and mage pet agro didn't work like this in classic.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The non-classic aggro dump is intentional IIRC. Years back people were chain summoning pets and just PLing themselves that way without casting spells, etc. So they nerfed it such that when your pet dies you take a bunch of aggro so that you can't just chain summon.

Yeah I surmised it's something they did to slow people down on Green, but that's dumb. You can't "power level" yourself by chain casting pets, there's still a mana cost. Charming is already more powerful.

And if they are worried about pets tanking raids, then they need to implement the Velious era "rule of 4" that made it so MOBs ignored pets, when possible, if there were more than 4 things aggroed on a target.

[kjs86z2]

You don't feel like playing mage because they're boring as shit.

[Tann]

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't feel like playing mage because they're boring as shit.

it's great if you want to play another game while also playing p99, it's like keeping a comfort movie on your 2nd screen. magician play can be your ASMR if you want it to be.

[Drueric]

Originally Posted by WarpathEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a difference between nerfing and bug fixes. The DoT change was fixing a bug that was causing DoTs to not do their full damage while rooted without doing a round of combat post root, the fix elminated the need for the mob to engage in combat post root in order to receive full DoT dmg.

Nilbog: 2/3 Damage over Time penalty no longer affects rooted targets.

Doesnt like it was a bug to me. Looks like it was an intended mechanic that they removed, on purpose. No bug. just a change that was a big buff to root rot.

Nice try though, but you are wrong.

[Drueric]

Originally Posted by WarpathEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

CoTH - Remember when we did the no coth quake? How much more difficulty there is when you don't have a mage as a resource to short cut content and get to outcomes faster

This isnt about what mages CAN do, its about what they nerfed to ruin the class. And btw, doesnt the mage have to get to the location first? And then what.. stay there forever to act as a conduit for raid guilds? Or better yet, a separate account so that person can still play the game while their mage is perma trapped in some raid zone. Yea.... basically like a cheat.

Sorry buddy, but you arent gonna pull the wool over our eyes.

[kjs86z2]

Originally Posted by Drueric [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This isnt about what mages CAN do, its about what they nerfed to ruin the class. And btw, doesnt the mage have to get to the location first? And then what.. stay there forever to act as a conduit for raid guilds? Or better yet, a separate account so that person can still play the game while their mage is perma trapped in some raid zone. Yea.... basically like a cheat.

Sorry buddy, but you arent gonna pull the wool over our eyes.

sorry you picked a class that gets plvled to 55 and parked