Miscellaneous: Something smells fishy in Erud's Crossing

[Passenger]

Ok, I'll see what I can put together.

In the meantime, I was looking at the zone/fish list again:

	
butcher		Saltwater Seaweed	
firiona		Saltwater Seaweed	
oot		Saltwater Seaweed	
timorous	Saltwater Seaweed

Saltwater Seaweed is certainly fishable in OoT from what we've seen. The earliest evidence for it appearing in Timorous Deep that I've come across so far is from Nov2001, shortly after the Nov. 7 patch.

Saltwater Seaweed at Allakhazam (Last updated: Tue Apr 10 12:08:45 2001):
- https://web.archive.org/web/20011226...html?item=5618

Another location
By: ktadema
Posted @ Sun, Nov 18th 7:53 AM 2001

Last night I was fishing on the dock in Timorous Deep, near the ogres, waiting for the boat to come and take me to Overthere, when lo and behold, on my line I caught what I am pretty sure was this. It looked like a pouch, and it was No Drop. I didn't know what it was until just now. Anyhow, these apparently can be found in Timorous Deep also.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20031111...icID=220.topic

DruBear
(2/3/02 1:33 am)
Saltwater Seaweed now in TD...?

Was working my SK's fishing up while waiting on the Kunark boat, on Ogre Isle, when what appears on my cursor but a Saltwater Seaweed! And then, with a full stack of bait, I proceed to fish up 3 more (!) Egads! Now I have to hold them, get my brewing up and then get some Seafoam to make temper for my Human Cleric.

Or maybe I missed the addition... I certainly missed the boat...

The patch did mess with forage and fish tables, so there's a good chance it really was added then. Timorous Deep was one of the original zones with special catches. It seems odd that Timorous Tuna would be documented for so long, but not the seaweed.

As for it being fishable in Butcherblock or Firiona Vie, I've seen no mention of that in-era. Really the only thing I found, even out-of-era, was from the live Allakhazam page for Saltwater Seaweed. Interestingly, there is further comment of it being fishable in Timorous Deep, but still no player comment of it coming from BB or FV.

The oldest archived version of the page I could find that included all four zones was from 2002 (Last updated: Thu Sep 19 18:52:47 2002). The page also includes the following:

Fished in any ocean zone.

This is definitely not true and calls the zone information into question, in my opinion.

A modern capture of EQTraders (the live site has been having db issues) only lists Saltwater Seaweed being fished in Ocean of Tears and Timorous Deep.

[nilbog]

Pending Update:

Apr2000:
Saltwater Seaweed

Sep2000:
Greengill Salmon, Gunthak Mackerel, Thunder Salmon

Mar2001:
Barren Flounder, Bloodfin Trout, Boar Carp, Cauldron Trout, Clockwork Koi, Cobalt Cod, Crystalline Cave Fish, Despair Chub, Dragon Bay Snapper, Fogwater Trout, Frosty Cave Trout, Grotto Bluegill, Hatch Dace, Highland Pike, Hound Pike, Iceclad Cutlassfish, Kedge Carp, Koada Cichlid, Pine Cichlid, Rathe Muskie, Red Roughy, Rujarkian Chub, Ry`Gorrian Toothfish, Salty Whitefish, Sponge Mushroom, Stonefish, Thullian Mudskipper, Weary Wrass

May2001:
A Blue Cod Card, A King Cod Card, A Red Cod Card, A White Cod Card, A Black Cod Card

Nov2001:
Saltwater Seaweed (Timorous)

Removed:
Saltwater Seaweed from firiona/butcher

[Passenger]

The Vindication of Jimjam Swimswam

The Nov. 7 patch removed the Barren Flounder from Erud's Crossing and replaced it with Timorous Tuna.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20040117...icID=194.topic

Ndayeni Dorranwen
(11/13/01 10:13 am)
Timorous Tuna in Erud's Crossing

Apologies if there's a thread already started for this, but I haven't noticed any specific ones since the patch for things like this...

Anyway, I've been hanging out in Erud's Crossing a lot the last week helping a friend with the plague shark for her Ro Vambraces, and have done some fishing there both to get scales and to pass time. Besides catching a lot more junk than I used to (sandals and daggers), I have caught two kinds of fish there...Fresh Fish and Timorous Tuna. I have not gotten any Barren Flounder, the fish that is listed on the zone-specific fishing page for this zone. These are results of a few different fishing sessions, representing maybe 2-3 stacks worth of bait.

Fambus
(12/11/01 7:00 am)
Re: Timorous Tuna in Erud's Crossing

Just thought I would add I also caught Timorous Tuna in Eurd's Crossing last night (10 Dec. 01).

- https://web.archive.org/web/20031111...icID=227.topic

Lyinar
(3/2/02 12:19 am)
Erud's Crossing

I don't know if others have gotten this too, but I've gotten Timorous Tuna from Wisp Isle in Erud's Crossing.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20031111...icID=268.topic

Niami DenMother
(5/28/02 4:54 pm)
Re: To find the Barren Flounder

I pinged Yakatizma about this last week along with several other things.

I'll meander back onto Test in the next couple of days to see if the waters have been restocked yet. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Velisaris
(6/5/02 1:55 pm)
Re: To find the Barren Flounder

I fished about 3 stacks of bait in Erud's Crossing about an hour ago...0 barren flounder (but lots of Timorous Tuna).

- https://web.archive.org/web/20040117...icID=298.topic

Velisaris
(6/21/02 8:37 am)
FINALLY...ofiicial response about the Barren Flounder

Well, I finally got an email back from Verant on the status of the missing barren flounder:

---------------------------------------------------------

Greetings,

I am sorry you are having problems with the flounder. It does indeed
appear
the fish is no longer in it's native waters. We are looking into where
the
fish have gone and hope to have some answers once that investigation is
complete.

Chris Phillips
Tester-Teldarian
Sony Online Entertainment
soe.sony.com

-----------------------------------------------------------

- https://web.archive.org/web/20031111...icID=312.topic

TamlynEQ42
(7/12/02 12:56 pm)
Reboot of Erud's Crossing and TD

Hmmm... that's odd ... saw a message this morning that these two zones were being rebooted across all servers. Weren't these the zones that had something to do with Barren Flounder.

Just a thought ....

Dahna
(7/14/02 12:00 am)
Re: Fishies!!

Day of 14, july 2002, Barren flounder are being fished correctly in uncommon "loot", but they are still here

A number of brewed essences were released with the May 8, 2002 tradeskill patch. Erud's Essence called for the Barren Flounder which drew greater attention to its absence. The book containing the recipes for these essences was Reconstructing Mythology, Notes; text can be seen here. It can be removed from P99.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Passenger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It can be removed from P99.

So the Reconstructing Mythology book didn't exist before 2002?

[Passenger]

That's correct. It appears the recipes were patched in a bit earlier, as players started to discover them through experimentation. I think the book itself was added in the May 8 patch.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20031019...icID=825.topic

Caell
(5/12/02 10:15 pm)
Complete Essence parts list, from Reconstructing Mythology

Black Roots
Stonefish
Glow Lichen
Hatch Dace
Barren Flounders
Clockwork Koi
Cinnamon Sticks
Surefall Sap
Thunder Salmon
Fishing Grubs
Cacti Pulp
Sea Salt

Balidil
(5/12/02 10:22 pm)
Re: Complete Essence parts list, from Reconstructing Mytholo

Note: This was originally posted in the Pottery forum, it's a list of essences from a new book, read more about it in his post over there.

Edit: It's got those barren flounders that were a guess for the Odus essence on the list! Where the heck DO those things come from?!?

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the Reconstructing Mythology book didn't exist before 2002?

Fixed, pending update

[Passenger]

I'm not sure this is worth recreating given that it's sorted out by the end of the timeline, but this is what I found.

- https://dbsanfte.github.io/eq-archiv...t-msg-2895.txt

Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 14:27:17 -0700

Steve Mitchell wrote:

> For food on the road, wouldn't it be better to take up fishing, rather than
> baking? You can carry just a pole and bait, and fish in any zone with water.
> Plus you can collect the fishing grubs that foragers throw away. Fresh
> caught fish work as food without cooking. Just my 2 cents.

That may have been true a while ago, but Verant is adding all kinds of
'specialty' fish. Now, most zones do NOT drop fresh fish, they drop something
like Surefall Carp or Thunder Salmon or Bony Fish. Currently, many of these fish
are NOT directly edible and do not work with known recipes. Plus, there is the
advantage of being able to get experience by hunting bears, cats etc while
getting food, while fishing is a void.
--
Gregory Gadow

- https://web.archive.org/web/20030116...picID=36.topic

Niami DenMother
(4/10/01 12:40:24 pm)
Re: Hello and Questions

Well met!

Special fish are zone-specific. At one point, it did seem that your chance of catching zone-special fish was determined by your fishing skill, but this is no longer the case.

Many zones now have special fish. In many cases, those fish seem to have totally replaced fresh fish. You can find a list of what zones have special fish now by going to the Trade Supplies section of the site. There's a link there for the zone-specific fishies. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Zone Reports

- https://web.archive.org/web/20031104...picID=21.topic

Osano
(3/29/01 7:57 pm)
Hound Pike in Black Burrow

Hi All! I've been enjoying and gleaning info from the message boards here for a few weeks as I learned the game, and finally mastered Fishing and caught my first special fish!

While attempting to complete the Monk Orange Headband Quest, I did some fishing in the bowels of Black Burrow and caught Hound Pike exclusively with a skill of 101 to 103.

Hit rate seemed to be about the same as fresh fish elsewhere. On the other hand, I was able to sell the Pike for about 1/3 more than ordinary fresh fish. I didn't try baking with them.

I also caught some humorous comments from those getting aggro'd by gnolls as I sat there calmly fishing! Heh heh!

Got my headband, so packing up the fishing gear and looking for new waters in the Karanas ...

Good Luck to my fellow fishing fanatics!

- https://web.archive.org/web/20040117...tart=1&stop=20

Tiensen
(3/29/01 2:01 am)
Re: page update

You can also add a Rygorrian fish (can't remember exact name at the moment) that is fished in Eastern Wastes now. I fish while medding there and never caught one before and as of the last patch it is the ONLY type of fish I can catch there.

Lanagard
(4/2/01 11:28 am)
Re: New Fish

I was fishing in Crushbone and discovered a Boar carp. It uses the same picture as the Stonefish and it replaces the fresh fish catch. I'm not sure if it's bakeable.

Whizbang Dustyboots
(4/2/01 2:42 pm)
Re: New Fish Found

Hmmm. Does anyone else find it odd/ill-advised to not have these unique fish -- which are otherwise quite cool -- not work in all ways as fresh fish do? (OK, maybe not the fetid bass. Yuck!)

I'd have starved if all I caught during my youth were Ak'Anon Koi, it seems.

Hopefully that'll be stage two of them adding these new fish to the game.

Niami DenMother
(4/2/01 8:47 pm)
Re: New Fish

Found Frosty cave trout were the only fish I caught in Kael today on my giant-friendly druid (fishing skill 61). The ice worms and the greywood fishing pole sold in Kael work just like the normal bait and fishing pole, FYI.

Tellemar
(4/3/01 10:12 pm)
Re: New Fish

Found Some of these, (like the gunthak makeral) have been around for a while, but most are new. Also, A new fish i just caught in the Lake of Ill Omen is the bloodfin trout, sells for 4.5 silver each to vendors with 70 charisma, is edible and i caught them every time with a skill of around 140 (can't remember exactly).

[Passenger]

Zone Reports (Continued)

- https://web.archive.org/web/20030116...picID=36.topic

Halestorm
(4/10/01 4:05:09 pm)
Fishing Trip

Went on a fishing trip to various zones yesterday, the big fish got away, but here's my catch...

Halas Lake - Fresh Fish
West Karana River - Thunder Fish
Eastern Wastes - Rygorrian Toothfish
Iceclad Ocean - Iceclad Cutlassfish, Salty Whitefish
Wakelands Lake - Fresh Fish
Plane of Growth stream - Trying to catch a land shark?
was gonna try the lake in POG but ran out of bait and had no skinning knife =(

- https://web.archive.org/web/20040117...art=21&stop=40

Idana Phoenixfyre
(4/11/01 9:21 am)
Re: Highland Pike

I was able to catch (exclusively) Thunder(something or other) salmon in South Karana.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20031111...picID=59.topic

Enigma6988
(4/29/01 7:43 am)
ferrott fish

i recently noticed on torv server ,that al the fish there now seem to be thulian mudskimers forgot to check price difference from fresh fish but they look kinda kewl.also have yet to get a fresh fish there since going back there to fish about 2 to 3 weeks ago with 80ish? fishing skill

- https://web.archive.org/web/20030121...picID=97.topic

Cigarskunk
(6/25/01 11:39:05 am)
Troll fishing

Just got home to my swamps last night and was doing some fishing while healing up - didn't catch any fresh fish - just two named ones - lost the sheet of paper I had written them down on - sigh.

Gumkak Froglobber
(6/27/01 12:48:21 pm)
Re: Troll fishing
...
-ooc-
Think he does indeed mean the Thulian Mudskipper and the Rujarkian Chub.
-/ooc-

- https://web.archive.org/web/20040117...art=61&stop=64

Monkeymage84
(8/9/01 4:57 pm)
Re: New Fish Found

so does anyone know where to actually catch the original "fresh fish"? i am quite mad about the new fish because i cant use them like fresh fish =(

- https://web.archive.org/web/20031101...icID=148.topic

Arum EvilOne
(9/16/01 8:25 pm)
Re: Do some zones produce more named fish than others?

Hole is nothing but special fish

This thread provides some good discussion on fishing in Cobalt Scar before and after the patch.

From the Nov. 7, 2001 patch:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20240919.../20011107.html

Foraging and Fishing will now result in a wider variety of items, especially in zones that have unusual items available to forage or fish (such as quest items). Quest and unique items were too common in zones that had them, often making it hard to use those skills to obtain items such as food and drink. These quest and rare items will now actually be rarely foraged or fished, as they should have been. Such items will still be available, even to those with low foraging skills, but they will be more easily found by those who have practiced the skills.

While not exhaustive, the above list provides a decent sampling of zones between Mar2001 and Nov2001.

The fact that these Old World and Velious zones were now producing unique fish exclusively also casts the effort to document which zones still produced fresh fish in a new light. No doubt players were making sure they didn't miss any new additions, but they also wanted to know where they could still find fresh fish that would work with existing baking recipes.

[Passenger]

Kunark Zones and Ocean of Tears

It seems these zones were largely unaffected and had both Fresh Fish and Zone-specific fish after the Mar2001 patch as before. The exception may have been zones where an additional unique fish was added.

Firiona Vie
(Re-post from above)

mcdermit
(4/20/01 8:01:20 am)
FV Fishing Trip (Fetid Bass Findings)

I burnt through 7 stacks of bait in FV yesterday at skill 168-175, and thought I'd post what I found about the fish there.

It looks like there's one fetid bass there for every weight from 0.1-2.5, plus the rare Fresh Fish and that No Drop fish (Sewer Catfish?). The tiny, large and giant Fetid Bass were much less common for me than the others. About 15% of my catch were feast-classed fish.
...

Overthere
- https://web.archive.org/web/20030121...picID=60.topic

Jarnin
(5/14/01 4:43:56 pm)
Re: Broken poles at higher skill level

I fished lastnight for about 5 hours while auctioning. I was able to catch:

194 Fresh Fish
21 Danak Grouper
4 Ruined Sandel thingies
2 Rusty Daggers
2 Fish Scales

Then my rod broke. It seems like fishing is based on rolls. It's a set delay. You have the chance to:

Very Bad Roll - Break your rod
Bad Roll - Lose your bait
Low Roll - Spill your beer and not catch anything
Medium Roll - You caught something (Scales, Daggers, Sandels)
Average Roll - Fresh Fish
High Roll - Zone Specific Fish

My skill is maxed at 200. I rarely break a pole, but sometimes I break them quite often. I blame it on low rolls. It's just like when you're a master of baking and fail on a low trivial item. As your skill increases, poles breaking happens less and less.
...

Timorous Deep
(Re-post from above)

What do i get at (200) fishing skill?

EverQuestsDaBest
Sep 18, 2001, 6:45:31 AM

I am assuming the skill max for fishing is 200, if not, assume my question
means the highest skill for fishing.

I just recently started fishing, and got my skill to (9), and i seem to catch
something 1 out of every 5-10 casts. Im curious, i caught rusty daggers, fish,
somethin called timorous tuna, not worth much, but cool to get for free.

My question is, what kind of things do you catch if your skill is the highest u
can get in fishing? Thanx

- https://web.archive.org/web/20040117...art=21&stop=40

City of Mist

Nannek
(4/14/01 8:54 pm)
Re: New Fish Found

In COM you can also catch fogwater trout.

Itien of Bristlebane
(4/15/01 3:17 pm)
Re: New Fish Found

Doh, Nannek beat me to it. Spent some time in City of Mist today fishing while waiting for a raid that never happened [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] The other fish in the zone is indeed Ikfish (can remove the spelling question mark on the zone specific fishing chart).

From the early fishing page at Allakhazam, we see Ikfish fishable in CoM from Kunark release. This poster's phrasing suggests only two fish in the zone. The addition of the Fogwater Trout may have replaced the Fresh Fish.

Ocean of Tears, Timorous Deep, Warslik's Woods

Dakuel Moldbreaker
(4/16/01 1:22 am)
more

Well drat. I posted this on the topic about recipes using special fish and a skinning knife in a tackle box. It also applies here. This is what I got from "skinning" the fish I caught.

My results from tonight (some are repeted entries):

Gunthak Macherel (from Ocean of Tears) - 5 bait
Fresh fish (1, 2, and 3 of them) - nada
Rivervale Trout (from Rivervale. 1, 2 and 3) - nada
Stonefish (from Butcherblock. 1, 2 and 3) - nada
Timorous Tuna (from Timorous Deep. 1 and 2) - nada
Despair Chub (from Swamp of No Hope. 1 and 2) - nada
Bloodfin Trout (from Lake of Ill Omen. 1, 2 and 3) - nada
Evergreen Salmon (from Warslik's Woods) - 2 fish eggs and 2 scales

In Lake of Ill Omen, Butcherblock and Swamp of No Hope I never caught fresh fish.

After 10 attempts at fishing in the ocean on the north shore of the Field of Bone and the Overthere I caught only fresh fish.

The above would suggest that Ocean of Tears, Timorous Deep, and Warslik's Woods did produce Fresh Fish.

Swamp of No Hope
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010628....html?skill=15

new fish
By: rayek
Posted @ Tue, Apr 3rd 4:47 AM [2001]
I was fishing in the Swamp of no hope (skill of 130) when i realized i wasn't catching a single fresh fish. Instead i was catching a dispair cod and the krup guppy. has all fresh fish left the swamp?

This reads as if Krup Guppy and Fresh Fish were fishable prior to Mar2001. The Despair Chub then replaced the Fresh Fish with the patch.

There is some question about Nurga. We see the Cave Guppy being added early on, with the Sponge Mushroom added later. I'm not sure if the mushroom replaced Fresh Fish or not.

[Passenger]

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