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[Meeper]

Originally Posted by Wakanda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also dunno if root-rotting was really a huge thing in original EQ.

Root-rotting/DOTing was a staple for all of the druids I knew and encountered, including myself. I could never be bothered to fear-kite, and I only snare-kited when quadding (or on those annoying occasions when root kept breaking).

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

to be fair druids were op back then because they were always killing guards and that was impressive so by defacto the class was OP

I think Druid is still the most popular class on P99 by far? It always cracks me up how people will talk about how they are the worst class in the game, not the best healer, not the best solo'er, yet they are one of the classes to just play the game.

I think Ranger could be similar in this regard. A Ranger is going to have a much easier time exploring around the world and even solo'ing than a Warrior or a Rogue even though both classes are technically vastly superior.

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by Meeper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Root-rotting/DOTing was a staple for all of the druids I knew and encountered, including myself. I could never be bothered to fear-kite, and I only snare-kited when quadding (or on those annoying occasions when root kept breaking).

I'll take your word on it then. I obviously didn't play one until after LoY came out and at that point... EQ wasn't even the same game anymore.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Wakanda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember that sentiment as well. I also dunno if root-rotting was really a huge thing in original EQ. Reason I say this is my next door neighbor was a Druid. And I remember watching him play, and being confused why he would use snare and stinging swarm, and other DoT's to kill mobs (same strat was used for killing Sand Giants at level 35).

After watching him I asked him why he doesn't just root the mob, and pointed out that this is stupid to be running and sitting to med non-stop. He kept telling me "trust me, Michael, you have no clue." And then finally after 20-30 minutes of bugging him he said "fine, you want to see what happens when you use root? I'll show you."

And sure enough root broke so frequently that it wasn't really useful for kiting. With that in mind I can see Shamans being significantly worse at solo'ing. At the same time I remember watching high level shamans killing dwarf guards in BBM, so IDK.

I do know a few things from that time, in early EQ Shamans were seen as bad healers due to low wisdom, and not having a huge mana pool. And when it comes to damage, I don't think a lot of us had enough raw data to realize how insane their DoTs became at high level. I remember being shocked when I found out how much damage their level 49 DoTs did, and I can't remember, but I feel like I may not have realized this UNTIL I started playing P99. I remember Shaman as the class that slowed and gave me some of my fav buffs as a Rogue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember levelling a shaman post-pop in OT. I know this as I remember zoning in from the book, buffed with kei (maybe potg too? idk but definitely K) and just running around dotting a bunch of sabretooths with sow while my lil doggy bit at their ankles. It was fun times.

[druidbob]

Originally Posted by Wakanda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think Druid is still the most popular class on P99 by far? It always cracks me up how people will talk about how they are the worst class in the game, not the best healer, not the best solo'er, yet they are one of the classes to just play the game.

I think Ranger could be similar in this regard. A Ranger is going to have a much easier time exploring around the world and even solo'ing than a Warrior or a Rogue even though both classes are technically vastly superior.

At a time when dial a port was not a thing and jboot mqs weren't common, being able to self port and SoW was such a huge QoL buff. To this day its why I always play Druid and Wizards, I just like being able to jump across the continent whenever I want.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Wakanda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think Druid is still the most popular class on P99 by far? It always cracks me up how people will talk about how they are the worst class in the game, not the best healer, not the best solo'er, yet they are one of the classes to just play the game.

I think Ranger could be similar in this regard. A Ranger is going to have a much easier time exploring around the world and even solo'ing than a Warrior or a Rogue even though both classes are technically vastly superior.

Because they aren't a good class overall. Those people are correct.

Druid is one of the highest played classes on P99 because it's very newbie friendly. You have heals and buffs that work well enough on yourself, you have multiple different ways to solo including root rotting which is obviously very newbie friendly in itself. And you get SoW and teleports so you can get around easier.

But yeah Druids aren't really good at anything technically.

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because they aren't a good class overall. Those people are correct.

Druid is one of the highest played classes on P99 because it's very newbie friendly. You have heals and buffs that work well enough on yourself, you have multiple different ways to solo including root rotting which is obviously very newbie friendly in itself. And you get SoW and teleports so you can get around easier.

But yeah Druids aren't really good at anything technically.

I also think Druids having more versatility makes them appealing to groups too ( compared to a lot of classes ).

[Wakanda]

IE. Everyone loves Enchanter, but I feel like it's harder for me to start a group as an Enc than it would be as a Druid. Currently find myself playing an Enc, surrounded by LFG melees, but we can never find a healer. If I was a Druid it would be a lot easier for me to get the ball rolling.

[Duik]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Emergent player behavior requires emergent dev action. This alone does not make something "unclassic". The very act of devs responding to unpredictable player behavior *is* classic.

For example, when EQ first launched /consent allowed you to fully loot other people's corpses. The devs quickly realized this was ripe for abuse and nerfed it to the existing summon mechanic. And when they did, I was the first one there screaming "this is unclassssicccc!!!!"

Ciderpress. You suck, becuase you are so correct. Not because you are wrong.

/me is eating own words about Ciderpress.

The term Emergent behaviour should be added to the " U]is it classic[/U]" nomenclature.

[putrid_plum]

I played EQ when it started, I remember enchanters grouping and as crowd control; never charming. I remember trying to do it in Guk as a necro and my group getting insanely pissed off about how I'm endangering them all.