Another reason entitlements need to go bye-bye

[Doors]

politics durp

[Pico]

why cant the damn gubment just leave mE ALONEEEE

[deakolt]

Originally Posted by Pico [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i assure you the insurance companies have the govt in their pockets far more than anybody in the public healthcare sector

I don't doubt it yo, I don't discriminate, I hate against the govt. in all its business dealingz

[Pico]

ugh fuckin govt forcing me to pay for the roads poor ppl use

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thing I love about govt mandated health care is the business side of it. Seriously, I wish I could be in an industry with ridiculous high artificial barriers of entry in which the government has mandated that every one of the 300+ million Americans MUST (under threat of punishment) purchase my flimsy promise to provide a (likely substandard) service if and when it is needed. Now that my friends, is a business plan.

It is a business plan, and a fucking sound one that every nation in the world with a more desirable credit rating follows. It's also too late to implement in America, in my opinion. We've been inextricably infiltrated by corporate interests and they can actually convince us at this point that institutions are too large to die. Frankly we've let the plutocracy pull the rug out from under us. America is and will be little more than a rock tumbler which turns newborn potential into aged, terrified complacence.

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Pico [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

except businesses are in it for the bottom line. the government is in it to keep their people healthy.

or you can keep believing the govt is trying to trick you into buying their healthcare in order to make billions... to... provide you with healthcare...

Yes, because our government is clearly a bastion of altruistic actions. If you want to live in a baby state and have the government provide for you, so be it - I on the other hand prefer the freedom to make my own choices and live my life as I see fit.

it follows that this liberty of each, limited by the like liberties of all, is the rule in conformity with which all society must be organized. Freedom being the pre-requisite to normal life in the individual, equal freedom becomes the pre-requisite to normal life in society. And if this law of equal freedom is the primary law of right relationship between man and man, then no desire to get fulfilled a secondary law can warrant us in breaking it.

Spencer was a smart guy. To infringe upon the liberty of select individuals for the monetary benefit of others is morally reprehensible. The only instance in which it is socially acceptable to limit individual liberty is when that individual liberty restricts the liberty of others. With that being said, social programs do not apply due to the fact that they limit the liberty of some with no benefit to the notion of over all equal liberty. Again, the focus here is not on general equality, but equality of freedom.

[Pico]

ahh the false dichotomy. either the govt provides nothing and you live a life of freedom and happiness and roses or you have everything provided to you and you're a baby who makes no choices.

[Pico]

hint: there's a happy in-between that maximizes health, happiness and social mobility, while minimizing poverty.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to live in a baby state and have the government provide for you, so be it - I on the other hand prefer the freedom to make my own choices and live my life as I see fit.

Or at least you'd rather delude yourself into believing you make your own big boy choices. The rest of your post was just as trite, if not moreso. You sound less like a dude who took an intro to philosophy class and more like a chick trying to impress said dude.

[deakolt]

i love how everyone on the forums who thinks they're intellectual uses the same attack:

"get your money back for that intro class"
"take that community college class again"

hahahaha dumbshits the lot of you