Punish Harder. Delete items.

[bakkily]

yea i agree with wiping items, the post above mine sounds like he's one of the cheaters that got away with it

[Roanoke]

Originally Posted by Runningfish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Instantly your opinion means less to me. Calling out for punishment for cheating while admitting to hacking in a far more competitive game?

While I wouldn't of been surprised to see this done in the first announcement I doubt it will happen now. And aside from hunter/forager cycle in track which would be made incredibly easier by having these 3rd party programs I think your vastly overestimating their power to gain people big ticket items. A camp is a camp no matter what. These programs aren't going to make a warrior able to solo frenzy or even a shitty necro able to solo it. People aren't suddenly able to go solo heiro cloaks.

Like I said these programs become especially useful on camps like hunter/forager, quillmane, other outdoor roaming mob camps. They also made a huge advantage for raid guilds trying to get their players mobilized quickly and made it so any guild member could have been a tracker in zone.. That said, TR still seemed to have a shitload of members on today and they are pretty much the number one raid guild on server. Point being if they weren't hacking or at least if it wasn't very prevalent in the guild and are still number one was MQ making that huge of a difference?

Bottom line is if you want a FBSS hacker or not your going to have to be the right class and your going to have to camp it just as long as a normal player. Sure it might save your ass if your a bad player by warping to zone but most people who are solo'ing frenzy aren't overwhelmed by 3 frogs every 30 minutes. Same goes for almost every other high end item in the game aside from the ones I listed above. Also aside from my comments specifically on raiding I'm not taking into account groups of players all hacking together to get items. I am speaking specifically to address the people who think MQ was giving people the ability to attain fungi's or heiro cloaks solo.

Everyone on both sides needs to chill out.. It's a game I hope you have bigger problems in your life.

I wouldn't expect it to happen either, but given that there are people in EC tunnel shouting about their supply of Fungis awaiting them when their account returns would be enough to make me reconsider. It's unsettling, especially since there was only 3 million plat confiscated.

The point was to punish the cheaters, and the fact that they weren't outright IP banned is more than enough mercy being showed by the devs. Yet, people have to act like fucktards and brag about how this essentially changes nothing.

This is like arresting members of the Mexican drug cartel and saying "We're throwing you in jail for two weeks and taking all the money you had on you. BUT WE'RE NOT CONFISCATING THE TRUCKLOADS OF DRUGS, YOU CAN KEEP THOSE!"

[Harrison]

Diablo 2 competitive? lawl.

I played the game a lot, but it's not competitive at all.

[Crug]

I disagree, they are being punished enough.

I mean I wasn't even insulted that people were cheating, it didn't affect me, and it wasn't like they were turning on godmode and soloing raid mobs.

I think the punishment they are getting is perfectly reasonable, especially since it is a warning to future violators who WILL be banned.

[sellawiz]

agree

[TR Spokesman]

Originally Posted by Crug [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree, they are being punished enough.

I mean I wasn't even insulted that people were cheating, it didn't affect me, and it wasn't like they were turning on godmode and soloing raid mobs.

I think the punishment they are getting is perfectly reasonable, especially since it is a warning to future violators who WILL be banned.

lol future violators will be banned?


previous violators were banned.

They are getting off easier than every person who was previously banned for using the programs. These people caught now were probably using when others got banned for it before. they got caught at a later date, and thus are getting off with practically nothing done to them.

[vageta31]

Originally Posted by bakkily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yea i agree with wiping items, the post above mine sounds like he's one of the cheaters that got away with it

Actually he just sounds like someone who is using logic instead of emotion. It's totally understandable to be mad at those who cheated and want your internet justice, but what he said is for the most part true. Do you honestly think someone that has Fungi tunics got them by clicking on a "fungi tunic" macro and they just appeared in his backpack?

His other statement was spot on too. If most of TR is online and not suspended, then what does that say about the cheaters? If it's that simple to cheat in the game and gain this huge advantage, then why aren't the cheaters the ones with the raid mobs on lockdown?

*crickets*

It is a legitimate question. Perhaps because the cheating wasn't as game breaking as you want to believe and the plat being removed wasn't due to gaining it "illegally", but simply part of the punishment for getting caught?

On one hand people are applauding Rogean for catching the hackers, while on the other they're QQ about how he isn't being harsh enough. The admins are the only ones who truly know exactly what was being done and by who, if they decide this is punishment enough then why not leave well enough alone? I'm not sure which is worse, the cheaters QQ about being caught or the lynch mob QQ about them not being punished enough.

[Vohl]

Stripping items would certainly sting quite a bit more than dumping coin. Some of these items may no longer drop in the game - they'd be forever beyond the reach of PCs. Containers are trade-able, yet may contain No Trade gear. Constructing and testing a query to accomplish item purges amounts to making more work for the GMs. Quite a bit more if you're after something arguably fair.

As I mentioned earlier, I'm fine with the measures the GMs have taken. We want a balance between corrective action and making a lot of additional work for some of the people who provide this game to us.

[Yohindo]

Their Punishment was not harsh enough.

[Demetrium]

Originally Posted by vageta31 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually he just sounds like someone who is using logic instead of emotion. It's totally understandable to be mad at those who cheated and want your internet justice, but what he said is for the most part true. Do you honestly think someone that has Fungi tunics got them by clicking on a "fungi tunic" macro and they just appeared in his backpack?

His other statement was spot on too. If most of TR is online and not suspended, then what does that say about the cheaters? If it's that simple to cheat in the game and gain this huge advantage, then why aren't the cheaters the ones with the raid mobs on lockdown?

*crickets*

It is a legitimate question. Perhaps because the cheating wasn't as game breaking as you want to believe and the plat being removed wasn't due to gaining it "illegally", but simply part of the punishment for getting caught?

No crickets for thinkers. From what it sounds like there were people who got suspended from the larger guilds; who knows what bosses they were checking with mods? Obviously people aren't chain duping Fungi Tunics, but how many times did these people zone into OS on a server pop and said "Oh shit Fungi King is up, lets go wipe him out". I'd be running around like a kid on Christmas morning on server ups. Hadden up? Pyzjn up? Petrifin up? Bilge up? Do I need to continue?

Your argument is inherently flawed. If it's not such a big advantage, why did 365 accounts get suspended? People wouldn't bother if it wasn't worthwhile. I'm always confused when shit like this happens and people want to go soft and be sympathetic. Don't like the consequences? Don't cheat next time. And for those of you naive enough who think "it's not big deal, it didn't effect me" -- yeah, they didn't walk up and piss in your cheerios, but you can thank them for an altered economy.