Troll Shaman Starter Points

[Mardur]

Originally Posted by purist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

some thoughts

thought #1 - don't listen to anything mardur says, he doesn't play a shaman and has no idea what he's talking about

thought #2 - ask someone who actually plays a shaman and knows what they're talking about like jeremy

Not sure if this is obvious troll. But I mained a shaman on live for years. Jeremy hadn't played EQ prior to P99 and he asks me a lot of shaman advice. So, not sure what kind of point you were trying to make.

[vageta31]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know you probably shouldn't listen to someone's shaman advice when they say something like:

It seems anyone who actually plays Shamans admit to the Ogre's strengths while fanboys for other races who don't play shaman want to put in their 2 cents.

Personally I'd rather them all play barbarians so my guy stands out that much more, but I can't help but be honest. Stun immunity is far more useful than people are trying to downplay it as. Then again if you're a root dotter Shaman in Druid's clothing then it probably won't matter. Grab a plat armband, nightshade wreath and your 6 wis rings and have at it.

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know you probably shouldn't listen to someone's shaman advice when they say something like:

Where would you rank shaman on an xp/hr basis? Behind every int caster, bards, and druids. So 7th best at soloing is pretty good in your book?

There is a reason most shaman on live are boxes not mains.

[soup]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where would you rank shaman on an xp/hr basis? Behind every int caster, bards, and druids. So 7th best at soloing is pretty good in your book?

Prior to 34 they are slow, I'll give you that. 34-45 is decent. 45+ buy a JBB and you're on par with a necro if you know what you're doing.

There's also a hell of a lot more to soloing than just "xp/hour"

[soup]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a reason most shaman on live are boxes not mains.

Why are you comparing the situation on live to the situation here?

Holy fail.

[vageta31]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where would you rank shaman on an xp/hr basis? Behind every int caster, bards, and druids. So 7th best at soloing is pretty good in your book?

There is a reason most shaman on live are boxes not mains.

Battle shamans do better than root dotters in this regard, but either way they can solo quite well. You're showing your ignorance both in your insistence that they're weak soloers, and lack of knowledge of their charm animal line of spells. They aren't as good as Druids, but they can charm animals in OT as well.

In fact I used this tactic in live before and shamans do it quite well. They don't have to spend much mana to help their charmed pet win the battle since they can help melee it down and use one of the weaker slows. Then if pet breaks charm they can slow him and melee down the last bit of hps as well. This is a valid tactic most don't use because it only serves them a small portion of the game, but it nonetheless works rather well.

[Mardur]

By that logic, you could say that a shaman can solo Lodi / nest dragons while other classes can't, does that make them the #1 soloer?

It's not really about exp / hour, it's the fact that a level 60 geared shaman with a full spellbook can take down harder single targets than any other class. This is especially apparent in Velious when +HP gear becomes so prevalent.

[vageta31]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's also a hell of a lot more to soloing than just "xp/hour"

Exactly. They can camp certain things that the others cannot due to being in close quarters. Quad kiting, fear kiting and charming are all awesome but there are times you just can't use that tactic. This is where Shaman shine because built correctly they can take some hits and fight right up in the face of their enemies for a bit.

[Ennoia]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only advantage Trolls have over Ogres in early game is base regen, and that's nullified hi-end.

Only shammies you'll see soloing Lodi will be Ogres [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That said, if you are bound and determined to go Troll, STA is where I'd go.

Not true at all. Back on Brell the main guy soloing Lodizal was an Iksar named Lelandpain.

[Peatree]

Originally Posted by Draulius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How should I spend my starting points as a Troll Shaman? The Project 1999 wiki didn't have any suggestions.

WIS / STA

Man I miss my old barb shammy...maybe I'll roll her again!