new rules terrible

[loserofgame]

Originally Posted by Null [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well, start shooting off examples.

Could you please put back up a copy of the original draft of rules, the thread has been removed. I would also like to re-read them and offer constructive feedback.

Thank you.

[Autotune]

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[Null]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of what?

People staying around here and shitting things up? The community has called for the head of Richgirl etc many times. There is one way to resolve and silence this.

Or grey areas within these rules that were some how neglected? As Amelinda has said to others before she can kindly check her inbox. She can forward you this and discuss. I think my suggestions are nonpartisan and very constructive.

Everything I read had to do with training and intentional xp death, which I said probably needed to be reworked. Did I miss anything outside of more detail on what is and isn't allowed xp killing?

[Null]

Originally Posted by loserofgame [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Could you please put back up a copy of the original draft of rules, the thread has been removed. I would also like to re-read them and offer constructive feedback.

Thank you.

Amy took them down, not sure why. I will see if shes ok with me putting them back up.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Null [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything I read had to do with training and intentional xp death, which I said probably needed to be reworked. Did I miss anything outside of more detail on what is and isn't allowed xp killing?

Glad it's being looked at.

We advocated this long before the server started.

An open discussion needs to be had about how certain cases will be handled. Once a ruling is made on how a case is handled, make an addendum to the posted rules.

These need to be known in advance so rules can be pointed to rather than deliberated over at the time of occurrence. I'd rather people complained about the rules (there's a brand new one that is absolutely bullshit btw, guilty as charged) than complained about the staff.

[Jadian]

Heartbrand still terrible

Nirgon still delusional.

New rules changed nothing afterall.

[Palemoon]

Glad they are putting in some sensible guidelines, its needed on a server like this to promote a healthier population.

The server is about pvp. Its not about bind rushing draco to start death touch scripts while yelling "alla akbar", and its not about training imps and LDCs once a week on nagafen raids.

More pvp, less lame tacits. Thanks.

[jeffd]

it's weird that the whiniest bitches on these forums are all people who apparently don't play here.

you kids need to go outside and get some fucking sun.

[Rallyd]

So have a lot of other people.

Don't take my word for it though.

As far as crying, let me fuck you up with some truth and a reminder.

"Grey area" is introduced or exploit goes unpunished.

Our guild tolerates it for a few hours or maybe a week or two. Nothing happens, we're told by the other players to "deal with it" or "qq moar".

We take hold of said exploit or grey area and destroy what they "had going for them".

Then the real crying to the staff starts and unsurprisingly gets a result in their favor.

"Nagafen is being exploited" -> weeks of deafening silence.
Players wiped in PvP, strat stolen. GMs beat the shit out of Holocaust.

"CT rotation set off is legal deal with it" -> GMs agree.
Holocaust repeats step, new rule is created to benefit team originating the problem.

Hope this reality check was beneficial.

Ask me why I don't play here, I'm happy to go into further details regarding the above.

As far as grey areas? And the above post? Thanks for telling people what they already know, super helpful.

You should break these grey areas down. Or maybe you just like your job being harder than it has to be and people ripping on you. I don't know, its one of the two or both. It certainly doesn't help the server population, people notice.

Things were just fine with us stealing their exploits and turning them against them. Staff interaction has created a certain imbalance that is irreparable at this point. Exploited loots going unremoved for too long to create the illusion of legitimacy and used to farm dino in OOT / kill other raid targets to acquire gear etc.

Similar to how an old joke goes: What do you tell a server with two black eyes? Nothing, you already told it twice.

My response - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6U2cNu9tEM

The only reason anyone would need grand clarification on rules is so that they could get as close to breaking them as possible. That's how Holocaust has always worked, harass GM's to create a more suitable environment for their cause.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Jadian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Heartbrand still terrible

Nirgon still delusional.

New rules changed nothing afterall.

Well you got one thing right.