Miscellaneous: Pick Pocket

[Valdarious]

What was really funny back in Live, is you can target an NPC inside of a house then go outside, climb on the roof then practice your pickpocketing all you wanted. Granted, this was a pathing bug but it still worked, at least when I played.

[Velerin]

Yeah that's how they recommended pp'ing the DE guild trainer for the epic on the safehouse, that way if you got agro you had time to make the zone.

[evilkorn]

I don't know why you would grab a random thread from almost two years ago to add a funny anecdote but I'll expand on it:

The z-axis changes made it so Tani can attack while you are on the roof, you still kinda get a head start, but the way mobs are pathing through walls (not really in the position to watch as I run from a GM rogue with my back to him so I could be wrong) it wouldn't surprise me that Tani just runs right through the house. I always pick with jboots so speed isn't really a concern to get to the zone.

[Tue Apr 29 10:57:24 2014] Tani N`Mar says 'Stop Thief! <Jonwayne>'
[Tue Apr 29 10:57:24 2014] Your attempt at stealing was unsuccessful.
[Tue Apr 29 10:57:24 2014] Tani N`Mar tries to punch YOU, but misses!
[Tue Apr 29 10:57:24 2014] Tani N`Mar tries to punch YOU, but misses!
[Tue Apr 29 10:57:24 2014] Tani N`Mar tries to backstab YOU, but misses!
[Tue Apr 29 10:57:58 2014] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Tue Apr 29 10:58:13 2014] You have entered Neriak Commons.

[Mon Mar 24 09:29:53 2014] Tani N`Mar says 'Stop Thief! <Jonwayne>'
[Mon Mar 24 09:29:53 2014] Your attempt at stealing was unsuccessful.
[Mon Mar 24 09:29:55 2014] You can't reach that, get closer.
[Mon Mar 24 09:30:27 2014] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Mon Mar 24 09:30:43 2014] You have entered Neriak Commons.

I know this change was made because of people exploiting but in this case it does change a very classic mechanic that may end a poor rogues life while doing the epic for himself.

[Valdarious]

Originally Posted by evilkorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know why you would grab a random thread from almost two years ago to add a funny anecdote but I'll expand on it:

Oh wow. I am sorry, I did not realize the date on this thread. Someone posted it for a reference from a different thread and I did not know it was this old. Not normally a Necro Threader.
I used to this on top of a house in Qeynos to a merchant in the Clerics area.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by evilkorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know this change was made because of people exploiting but in this case it does change a very classic mechanic that may end a poor rogues life while doing the epic for himself.

Good. Picking from the roof is a classic exploit and dying while critically failing pickpocket is classic.

[4WOFURY]

Since this thread is up - why aren't giants flagged as pickable? That was one of the joys of rogues, as Cecily mentioned.

[Ele]

Giants PPable

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....o/PKwwHBVX_LIJ

Certain types of creatures can not be pickpocketed. None of the arachnid
series can. Nor, I believe, can undead. At least skeletons can't. Nor can
animals - lions and tigers and bears, oh my. From my experience it seems
that only creatures who are not undead and who carry actual coin (in
addition to possible items) can be pickpocketed. For example wisps can be.
I once got a lightstone off of one. Personally I think they should be
considered undead, but I digress. <shrug>

> - And finally... Never pp anything (or anyone) you're not ready, willing
and
>able to kill. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Once in a while as you try to pp, you *will* get
>notice--successful or not--and as soon as that happens, you're going to get
>attacked. Um... Trust me on this one. ;D

Agreed. Or at least make sure you are close enough to the zone that you can
get away. As far as PPing giants. Your chances of success, it seems, are
greatly influenced by your respective levels (that of you and your intended
victim). I am never able to succesfully pickpocket a red. I died quite a
few times trying to pick pocket the fishbone earring off of the barbarian
fisherman. He catches me quickly and I never succede in getting anything
off of him.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....o/o8nztFUaqRoJ

At 35th level with jboots when I need cash I find some giants, my best pick in
one shot so far was 25pp. Normally I use Oasis, if they get mad at me, i can
lead them to the middle of the nro zone where normally there's noone, and shout
like mad if you are dragging one somewhere. I routinely get gold and plat off
stuff. Items I've gotten. Squad ring from a halfling guard, dented or ruined
helm from a freeport guard (quest item), FS weapon from a SG, merchant, guard.
Sands of Ro from a Sg, anyone know what it is for? Flame of Vox, words, runes,
pages, scalps from all kinds of stuff, goblin ears in high keep. Keep
practicing Pick Pocket it pays off at higher levels.

Note sure how reliable this person is, but it is relevant to giant pickpocketability.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....s/vYcAsi5mE7oJ

ermm not true.I know a very high lvl rogue who pickpocketed the
rubicite breastplate from the avatar of fear. Also she Disarmed the
giant zweihander from Krag Icebear. They can steal anything from an
NPC. including the money. I am not kidding here. Once for fun she
stole 35 pp 12 gp and some other small coins. from a sand giant.
After we put it down the SG had no cash on him.. and she stole his
fine steel too. i was glad she was in our group tho :P and she was the
master looter. so yeah rouges take the cash from the mosnter loot
pool.

SafeHouse Pickpocket Guide from 1999/2000
https://web.archive.org/web/20001002...picID=20.topic

Note: the level 45 limit directly contradicts this prior bug report that claimed it had no limit. Report was not acted upon.

What it does:

The pick pocket skill allows a rogue to take coins and/or items directly from an NPC. Success is not guaranteed and is based on the rogue's current skill points. A message will appear stating success or failure. If successful, coins are automatically put into their proper places among your inventory, but items are placed on your mouse cursor so you'll have to put them away manually. You have no control over what you actually get--coins or an item.

How to use it:

1. First, you must be within melee range of your target (lucky you, eh).
2. Use the skill; either click the Pick Pocket button or use an assigned hotkey.

Notes:

A. You can only use this skill on NPC's with pockets, i.e. merchants, orcs, goblins, etc.. It will not work on most animals nor skeletons. Some creatures without pockets CAN be picked, such as wisps and drakes.

B. The loot you steal comes from the SAME loot you would have gotten if the NPC is killed and looted. There is some debate whether this was changed from a seperate cache in the past or has always been this way (I believe it was changed), but there is no debate that it definately takes from the loot now.

C. Some NPC's will cry out an alarm (such as Dervs) and attack--be prepared to do the same or run...

D. You cannot pick pockets while auto-combat is "on".

E. If you are "hidden" you will become visible after a pickpocket attempt (even if you succeed). Sneak will remain active, but be sure to re-hide ASAP.

F. You can not pickpocket magic items, and creatures level 45+ can not be picked.

[Lopretni]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

snip

This is really cool, I hope it gets fixed. This is the kind of third-realm kind of gameplay I really like where it's outside of just grinding, crafting or the economy. Just a unique class-specific mechanic you can do stuff with. Would make rogues be more than the backdoor slammers, at least a little bit.

[Ele]

https://web.archive.org/web/20011222...icID=108.topic

Question: Who/what can I pickpocket?
Answer: You may pick pocket mobs that are level 45 or less if you are lower than 50 and level - 5 if you are over 50. You May NOT pickpocket items that are No Drop or Magic.

And as Ramrod pointed out you cannot pp undead, or animals. but the mobs you can pick are just about anything else in game. when in doubt try, who knows what youll get.

[Daldaen]

Lets do it classic!