New Server

[Ravager]

Personally, I'd like to see the old server finished (content and mechanics-wise) before a new server.

[Arclanz]

Originally Posted by tops419 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This server is just a twink fest.

If the dev's started a paypal fund to start a new sever and said once we reach X amount of donation money we'll open a new server, I'd donate to that.

Right now, you just feel like the money from donations will only help the HARDCORE end-game crazies get more content to lockdown that normal folks may never see.
Most people haven't experienced Kunark yet.

The forums are the most exciting part of P1999 right now.

I would totally donate to a New Server fund; no interest in donating or playing on existing blue.

Hey Ravager, no one would stop you from completing content on that server. A new server would moreso attract new players than leach existing players off blue. If there IS a max exodus from the current blue server, that in itself is telling.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Arclanz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Falk, you know as well as I that twinking was uncommon and powerleveling was rare back in the day.

False. Twinking was highly common and I leveled my main, Falkun, during Kunark & Velious with many twinked rerolls/alts. However, there was also a larger EQ population, so you had a lot of new characters as well. You probably have a similar proportion of old/new players here on P99, but since the concurrent server population is 500 instead of 3000, its more noticeable.

Originally Posted by Arclanz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do agree that wiping the server is a bad idea; I want those pixel hogs to stay on that server; so the rest of us can play on the new server.

TMO doesn't play to win pixels, they play to be the best at the server. If this was their own private box, they'd get bored and leave quickly. But because they have other persons to keep down, it remains fun for them. Examples:

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

End scene. Gwence basically said if velious came out before TMO started competeing then IB would have have been #1done in velious. You guys are only #1 if there is no #2,3,4 etc.

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) Sorry, didn't see you on the battlefield.
2) They were always there. I seriously doubt any more training is happening than before when I played against IB. If it did, you'd not even be able to log on without dying to one.
3)Server rotation does not equal competition. Me and a few others have already expressed ways to make the raiding better without a rotation. They've all been ignored or forgotten and pushed aside. Also, what makes you think I want the "easy way out" with no "competition"? I have fought more for my place on the server than 99% of p99 thank you very much.

Pretty sure Rogean stated publicly on the boards that a server rotation would never be put in.

ps - you're welcome for the Ragefire agreement. Where most of you bitched and complained, a select few put forth the effort to get it started and made sacrifices you'll never know.

A new server is not the answer. A wipe is not the answer. More concurrent content (so you can't lockdown boss_A and then move to boss_B) is the answer. General server consensus is the answer. More concrete rules & mechanics that do not require CSR intervention are the answer.

[Ravager]

I just meant it's probably be in the dev's best interest to finish one project before starting another. With another server to take care of, their limited resources would be spread even thinner and there would be two blue servers that are only half as good as they could be.

[tops419]

nope. None of what you said will ever happen. Just let the crazies have a server and make another server.
It was the same way on live.
Some servers were nuts, some were more tame.
with only 1 viable server, all the nuts are on one box.
Velious doesn't solve anything unless you're part of the aforementioned crazies.

And for the "go start your own server then" folks: if someone else could get ahold of a way to do so as well as these guys have, I'd personally make a pledge of $30 bucks or so a month to keep it going.

Also,
I think that if bosses spawned simultaneously, TMO ( or someone else) would just put in more time to lock them down, split their raid forces, add more to their ranks, etc.
They compete to be #1 because that's what matters to them. some of us don't see EQ as a competition and don't like to play it that way. nothing wrong with either way of playing, it's just those two types of players can't coexist, happily, for very long.

Call it the pink panties server or whatever, but it's what many in the community are wanting.

[tops419]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just meant it's probably be in the dev's best interest to finish one project before starting another. With another server to take care of, their limited resources would be spread even thinner and there would be two blue servers that are only half as good as they could be.

Except, the resources poured into the server have alot more to do with coding/debugging/ etc. than it does with policing.
To start a new server from scratch would be difficult, but to copy an existing server wouldn't be much work at all.

As far as policing on a carebear server, there's a lot of viable candidates that play/have played p1999 and been a great part of the community that could serve as guides (even if only as observe/report).

Just start a donation fund with a clear monetary goal to support a new server and watch it fill up fast enough to have it released in a week.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Arclanz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you know as well as I that twinking was uncommon and powerleveling was rare back in the day.

Lol. Really? REALLY? You're gonna just come out and claim this? It's more common on P99, but I think this is a dramatically wrong statement.

Everyone and their mom had a monk or other melee twink in 2000. Everyone. Everyone. EVERYONE. Half of my guild had twink monks (even a number of fungi level twinks), and my guild was pretty casual.


The reality is that most of the playerbase on p99 are the top 30% of engaged players back in the day. This means we know the tricks and the shortcuts a lot better than the more casual players did, and hindsight makes us incredibly more knowledgable now than we were back then, so it compounds itself.

But let's not come with nonsense about powerleveling and twinking being uncommon. Lol.

I actually two-boxed occasionally between two desktop PCs in the Velious era (different rooms and I wasn't allowed to move the PCs, which made it really difficult, but possible) - had a shaman buffing my monk while I destroyed crap in Velk's.

And again, on live, I never did any of the major velious raids (we did Kael but never Vindi), Plane of Sky, CT, Innothule...Any of that. I wasn't among the elite playerbase. But even I saw the twinking and two-boxing (although technology made that harder) and powerleveling all the time.

[tops419]

It's not that twinking wasn't common on live in 2000ish, its just that twinking to this degree wasn't.

on live, pre 2002ish>? maybe later
I had never seen a twink with a COF/Fungi/Tstaff. It was unheard of. on p1999 it's pretty much the only way to qualify as a twink.
For every class minus casters (which can't REALLY be twinked before velious) the degree of twinking is insane.
Epics are commonplace (minus a few) on twinks
There are almost no "oh shit" items left except for ones that were nerfed out quickly.

[Arclanz]

I suppose a time frame would help; as well as defining "twink."

A hand-me-down or two isn't what I meant. Farming plats or camping numerous spawns with high level characters to gear up a low level alt; that's a twink.

The common player did not really twink (hence, "uncommon") in classic. It started to occur near the end of classic; and picked up during Kunark. By Velious, heavy twinking was in full force. But as tops says, above, the really stupid twinking was quite rare.

[Raavak]

Messianc is right. I started the 2nd month of classic EQ and was often grouping with people who were going "the second time around", meaning to 50. And with awesome gear (for the day). Like a lvl 35 or so dorf paladin with a Skarlon sword (main was a famous E`ci cleric).

But I will agree there are some ubertwinks here that weren't seen on Live (like whoever bought Durison's Cobalt BP at that time).