So I guess they should let blue server /movelog over

[ForeverLost]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like I posted in the other forum, you can't really merge or transfer characters from one ruleset to another and be fair about it.

Who cares about fairness? I just want to play EQ the way I did on live. As it stands now, you start out at level 1 with no gear, and have to work your way up to level 50 where you can then be griefed by Nihilum. That's not fair, either, but so what?

If they offered transfers of characters that were deleveled to 20 and were naked, no one from blue would bother coming over. There would really be no point in transfers at all. At a minimum, blue characters should maintain their level. I would want them to have their gear, too, even their VP gear (sorry Nihilum, you would be facing some actual competition). Maybe limit it to one transfer per account/IP, so that they can't bring their several level 60s over and have to choose one character.

How can you be against this idea when red is really dead, as it is? I was on for a while last night, and hardly anyone was talking in ooc. It's more lively in gfay on blue than in serverwide ooc on red. As I said, the blue players show interest in playing red, if they are allowed transfers. Without taking this step, there is really no reason to play red at all unless you're going to raid with Nihilum, and even then it's kind of lonely.

Server transfers are really the only thing that could save this server. Yellow text is a non-issue, and the resist system isn't even that bad.

[Bamzal Sherbet]

so its agreed. fix resists, and no transfers.

[Shrubwise]

Originally Posted by ForeverLost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How can you be against this idea when red is really dead, as it is? I was on for a while last night, and hardly anyone was talking in ooc. It's more lively in gfay on blue than in serverwide ooc on red. As I said, the blue players show interest in playing red, if they are allowed transfers. Without taking this step, there is really no reason to play red at all unless you're going to raid with Nihilum, and even then it's kind of lonely.

See, the issue here is: you think we give a fuck. You're under the assumption that you're doing Red a favor by having a migration from blue. You think our server's dead.

We don't care. We. Don't. Care. We've been playing our "dead box" for a year now without blue douches, and we'll play it for another year. And another. We don't need blue's rejects. Please, by all means, watch our "dead server" rot away from Blue. How's that raid rotation treating you, bud?

This thread is outlandish in the first place. It hasn't even been a week since the server's most active dev made a post declaring, basically, that we ought to be ashamed for our behavior. That our in general shitty attitude detracts from the devs desire to do anything for us. You see, we're already not the devs favorites - why would they lift a finger to help some shitty blue players transfer their toons to our server?

Originally Posted by ForeverLost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Server transfers are really the only thing that could save this server. Yellow text is a non-issue, and the resist system isn't even that bad.

Seems like a funny thing for someone who doesn't play here to have an opinion on - what is, and what is not, an issue for our server.

In closing, dear God: please come play with us. I can't wait to make you cry blue tears in-game. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[ForeverLost]

I started on red a year ago, and have a 50 cleric. I have been leveling a paladin and a druid, too. Snare, root and blind land with high mr, but it doesn't last for even close to full duration.

I really miss EQ PvP, but if you're not willing to let the devs do anything to help you (where you really need it, not this pointless "yellow text" stuff), then I guess I just have to accept that those days really are gone.

[Toehammer]

Originally Posted by Shrubwise [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See, the issue here is: you think we give a fuck. You're under the assumption that you're doing Red a favor by having a migration from blue. You think our server's dead.

We don't care. We. Don't. Care. We've been playing our "dead box" for a year now without blue douches, and we'll play it for another year. And another. We don't need blue's rejects. Please, by all means, watch our "dead server" rot away from Blue. How's that raid rotation treating you, bud?

This thread is outlandish in the first place. It hasn't even been a week since the server's most active dev made a post declaring, basically, that we ought to be ashamed for our behavior. That our in general shitty attitude detracts from the devs desire to do anything for us. You see, we're already not the devs favorites - why would they lift a finger to help some shitty blue players transfer their toons to our server?



Seems like a funny thing for someone who doesn't play here to have an opinion on - what is, and what is not, an issue for our server.

In closing, dear God: please come play with us. I can't wait to make you cry blue tears in-game. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreed with most everything, transfers from blue would be pointless and are unwanted. I leveled a character post 50 here on red. I prefer to keep the servers separate... don't even like cross-server trades on forums. Red has risen from the ashes of 20 online prekunark to ~50-70 online post kunark... improvement is good regardless. We will most likely never see average numbers above 100 (primetime maybe). Just accept it. If you don't like playing on a sub-100 population server, play somewhere else. I don't mind too much.

Sure it would have been nice if it was > 200 playing, but that just doesn't happen when a server has some serious flaws from the start and people actually take pleasure in "winning a box." Apparently winning EQ is griefing others off a server, wasting everyone's time, avoiding good PvP except if you have numbers, exploiting mage swords/guard assist/wands, or, currently, recruiting anyone and everyone so there is one powerhouse guild with ZERO competition. Like Sirken has said, the Red community caused the low population on its own (minus the broken game mechanics).

I am having fun with the dreadfully low population. EQ is still fun soloing, just not AS much fun.

Most importantly your thread (ForeverLost) in the blue forum had completely the wrong message... merge servers into one PvP server? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] That is just crazy. Red just wasn't tested well, launched well, managed well, and played well. Population is low, it might creep back up, but we just have to keep playing and hope for the best. I know I am!

[Bamzal Sherbet]

"those days" were never realized on this box

[Tradesonred]

The problem with no transfers is that the ruleset makes it that its not alot of fun to level a toon 1-50.

Well, as much fun as it is to level a toon on blue, except you have to hide from twinks and pvp if you do not want to lose pve xp.

Theres no "lets gang up on that twink and loot his shit" excitement to be had, theres no taking your time with leveling while you choose to stop at say 24 to enjoy a week straight of pvping.

Theres no afternoons of just plain fun pvping for hours in crushbone that attracts other pvpers like a vortex that keeps growing. People will die a couple of times, and move on. No word of mouth like "Holy shit, having so much fun right now pvping, hop over".

The nature of the ruleset enforces that one side will inevitably leave after a couple of deaths, unless it doesnt care to get a big setback in the pve grind, which they have to go through if they want to access the more populated bracket of end game.

Not trying to piss on the "thrive" but lets be real. Most of the pop leveled its toon while the server was more alive than it is right now, even with this "thrive". So the bluebie ride was more enjoyable than to someone starting from scratch in november 2012. Even with a 50 druid sitting next to you its a long road. The ride would be more enjoyable if the ruleset was more about having fun on the way up.

Having said all that, i dont think transfers should be a priority, not even sure what i think appropriate level would need to be

[ForeverLost]

Originally Posted by Toehammer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreed with most everything, transfers from blue would be pointless and are unwanted. I leveled a character post 50 here on red. I prefer to keep the servers separate... don't even like cross-server trades on forums. Red has risen from the ashes of 20 online prekunark to ~50-70 online post kunark... improvement is good regardless. We will most likely never see average numbers above 100 (primetime maybe). Just accept it. If you don't like playing on a sub-100 population server, play somewhere else. I don't mind too much.

Sure it would have been nice if it was > 200 playing, but that just doesn't happen when a server has some serious flaws from the start and people actually take pleasure in "winning a box." Apparently winning EQ is griefing others off a server, wasting everyone's time, avoiding good PvP except if you have numbers, exploiting mage swords/guard assist/wands, or, currently, recruiting anyone and everyone so there is one powerhouse guild with ZERO competition. Like Sirken has said, the Red community caused the low population on its own (minus the broken game mechanics).

I am having fun with the dreadfully low population. EQ is still fun soloing, just not AS much fun.

Most importantly your thread (ForeverLost) in the blue forum had completely the wrong message... merge servers into one PvP server? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] That is just crazy. Red just wasn't tested well, launched well, managed well, and played well. Population is low, it might creep back up, but we just have to keep playing and hope for the best. I know I am!

Thank you for being constructive. Most people didn't seem to realize that my post in the blue forums was more tongue-in-cheek than it was serious, seeing as it's not going to happen ever.

I guess the low population really is a turn-off for me. The red community did cause the low population, the server's mechanics are surely playable. I saw that blue players really would play here if allowed their blue characters, and I saw some hope. Really I had no idea that the average red player would be so against the idea; I figured they would be elated to receive a population increase. Since the population will forever be this low, I have to say that I am leaving for blue (level 15 so far, doing well I guess!) for good. It was a lot of fun playing with you all during the IF days, suppose that was EQ PvP's final hurrah.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by ForeverLost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for being constructive. Most people didn't seem to realize that my post in the blue forums was more tongue-in-cheek than it was serious, seeing as it's not going to happen ever.

I guess the low population really is a turn-off for me. The red community did cause the low population, the server's mechanics are surely playable. I saw that blue players really would play here if allowed their blue characters, and I saw some hope. Really I had no idea that the average red player would be so against the idea; I figured they would be elated to receive a population increase. Since the population will forever be this low, I have to say that I am leaving for blue (level 15 so far, doing well I guess!) for good. It was a lot of fun playing with you all during the IF days, suppose that was EQ PvP's final hurrah.

Yeah, there was a big part of the community that was bent on hurf durfing people off the server. Was it a good idea to implement a ruleset that played right into their hands? I dont think so. Its easy to lay the blame on the griefers but the problems that would arise from the ruleset was pointed out early in the box's life. They chose to have the server ruleset set in stone so the end result was a combination of excessive griefing and dev decisions.

[Nirgon]

Yeah BDA/FE will come over, get raped in PvP and quit then no servers will have any players