So your guns keep you safe?

[Twoberries]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Read the article. The selection bias is astounding. How many of those shot do you think were gangbangers getting into a gang war? It's Philidelphia. I'd say about 98%. No wonder they found so many of the people being shot had a gun on them.

Statistics say that more gun related deaths in the States are from suicide. No wonder they found so many of the people being shot had a gun on them. Duh!

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Twoberries [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Statistics say that more gun related deaths in the States are from suicide. No wonder they found so many of the people being shot had a gun on them. Duh!

The article is only about incidents of assault, not of suicide. Try and keep up.

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Read the article. The selection bias is astounding. How many of those shot do you think were gangbangers getting into a gang war? It's Philidelphia. I'd say about 98%. No wonder they found so many of the people being shot had a gun on them.

And if it wasn't Philadelphia, it would be Los Angeles or New York City or Chicago or Miami or Baltimore or Cleveland or San Diego. None of the statistics from those places would count, either. Your gut reactions are much more viable.

[Hasbinlulz]

I always go to "what american people think of as common sense" as my main source for academic papers.

[Arclyte]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And if it wasn't Philadelphia, it would be Los Angeles or New York City or Chicago or Miami or Baltimore or Cleveland or San Diego. None of the statistics from those places would count, either. Your gut reactions are much more viable.

This "study" is from 2009. There's a reason I've never heard of or seen it referenced before now, and it has everything to do with it being clearly politically biased.

Taking data on gun crime from OG thug *****s in downton Philly, and then making sweeping statements to the tune of "successful defensive gun uses are possible and do occur each year, the chances of success are low. People should rethink their possession of guns" is so biased and flat out wrong, it's laughable.

With that said I leave you with this:
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[Arclyte]

ITT: Bullets become more deadly when you are armed, and attackers are more likely to kill you when you have a means to defend yourself

The mind of an ignorant, brainwashed college kid.

[Alawen]

There is no conspiracy here. Every other developed country has much more restrictive gun laws. Here's the data on deaths, which we've seen before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate

Simply put, when you have a bunch of cowboys running around with guns, people die. I don't have a particular horse in this race, the facts are just brutally obvious at this point. I have very little hope that this country will ever do anything to curtail gun violence. We clearly love gangs and war and killing each other.

Hilarious for you to connect "ignorant" and "college".

[Jacquouille]

I'm open to discussion.

Can a pro gun tell me, how, adding guns in schools will keep the kids safer?

[Arclyte]

I don't think there's any real answer to that. Obviously no one wants weapons anywhere near a school. On one side you have the bleeding hearts living in another dimension claiming no one should own weapons, and on the other you have the nutjobs who want every principle, teacher and janitor packing glocks.

It's a real shit state of affair, and I think it simply comes down to weak morality in our (the US) society, and I believe it's been on a steady decline since the late 60's. You can come up with all the laws in the world and it won't change people being shitheads. Until this changes I don't see things getting any better.

[Daldolma]

The pro gun argument can't stem from an evaluation of overall safety. It's ludicrous. On a macro level, the widespread availability of guns in the US leads to significantly more gun violence.

It has to stem from a fundamental right to defend yourself. The argument has to be that, even if gun availability increases the rate of gun violence nationwide, an individual has a fundamental right to protect himself and his family, and ownership of a gun is a logical and reasonably necessary extension of that right.

There's no reasonable argument for a lot of the more advanced weaponry available to citizens. It's the product of a well-funded lobby and a deification of the Founding Fathers. There is no fundamental right to shoot a hundred rounds per minute and own enough ammunition to decimate small towns.