Enchanter or Magician

[Vladesch]

Hide is not *that* amazing because your hide skill is capped fairly low and it will usually take you a few attempts for a succesful hide, which will waste a significant amount of time overall considering its slowish cooldown.

Personally I'd sooner have the extra charisma and not be rooting around with an unreliable hide skill. The extra spell slot is nice but not essential.

[Splorf22]

Nah I would definitely trade 20 stat points on Loraen (well int stat points anyway) for hide.

1) You can use hide until you get a goblin ring
2) After you get a goblin ring, you can use hide first and then swap in the ring if it doesn't work
3) Hide is fantastic for going AFK

[Grimmly Fireforge]

Don't be a Dark Elf for Hide, and I'll tell you why.

People vastly exaggerate the hide racial ability's utility. First of all, I have it on my Dark Elf too and it's skill is like 50 and will never level up, meaning it works maybe 30% of the time at best. The other 70% of the time your "Hide" attempt will fail, and you will have to wait 8-10 seconds for the cooldown to try to break the charm again.

Does this sound like a reliable way to break a charm? HELL no. People try to act like it has a 100% success rate when really, it's terrible and you're a million times better off getting a Goblin Ring if you can afford it, because it has a 100% success rate and is instant, with no cooldown.

I will admit is is great for going AFK, though.

[Tecmos Deception]

Racial hide is a great thing to have on a mage, and anyone who says otherwise is probably ignoring the fact that there is basically no opportunity cost to having hide and/or not thinking of the different ways it can be used.

It's not like a shaman deciding between troll for regen or ogre for stun immune. In that situation, it is clear that either ability would be nice to have, but unclear which is superior overall. Here we are talking about picking a race with acceptable stats but no hide and a race with acceptable stats AND hide.

Unless someone specifically does not want to be a dark elf, there is no good reason not to be one.


And as to how effective hide really is when you do have it? Hide is a 1 in 3 chance to avoid a train that suddenly is about to run you over. Hide is a few button clicks to give you a 99.9% safe AFK of any length. Hide is an instant 1 in 3 chance of avoiding aggro after logging into an unsafe place after a LD or something so you can consider your options. And did I mention you basically get it for free?

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by Grimmly Fireforge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't be a Dark Elf for Hide, and I'll tell you why.

People vastly exaggerate the hide racial ability's utility. First of all, I have it on my Dark Elf too and it's skill is like 50 and will never level up, meaning it works maybe 30% of the time at best. The other 70% of the time your "Hide" attempt will fail, and you will have to wait 8-10 seconds for the cooldown to try to break the charm again.

Does this sound like a reliable way to break a charm? HELL no. People try to act like it has a 100% success rate when really, it's terrible and you're a million times better off getting a Goblin Ring if you can afford it, because it has a 100% success rate and is instant, with no cooldown.

I will admit is is great for going AFK, though.

Actually I think 50 skill in hide translates to 50% success rate.

Hide is amazing. As was mentioned above, if it doesn't work use something else like an invis ring. If it does work, you've just saved yourself some mana/trouble.

Incredibly useful for going afk, ducking away from an incoming train or wipe pull, etc.

Even if you make the argument hide is only marginally useful, it's not like other races have their own abilities to compete with it.

I'd recommend enchanter. Incredibly powerful class... versatile, great solo, great grouping, amazing dps, amazing utility.

[Grimmly Fireforge]

You keep saying just use Goblin Ring if it fails -- you could just use Goblin Ring as a non-Dark Elf the first time, which would instantly break charm 100% of the time for 0 mana. Having to own a Goblin Ring so you can swap it in defeats the whole purpose. I'll admit that it's not like you have anything to lose by going Dark Elf for it if you're neutral about what race to be, but don't pick Dark Elf just for hide if you like another race better. People exaggerate it's utility and it's not reliable for breaking charm.

[Slave]

Originally Posted by Grimmly Fireforge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People exaggerate it's utility

I think that with disingenuous posts like this, even after the poster listened to about 5x level 60s in here wax rhapsodic about Hide, it's impossible to exaggerate its utility.

[Grimmly Fireforge]

I think you need to calm down, lol.

[webrunner5]

What is with all this end game I want to be good in a Raid crap?? Have 10% of you on here ever been in a Raid on here?? Most people that go on a raid and I mean most will just be sitting up on the hill or at the back wall in a non XP group, IF they are lucky to even be in a group, and sit there with their thumbs up their ass for like 3 hours. Any Maybe and I mean maybe get a chance to get a nice item but don't hold your breath. Silly just silly.

[Tecmos Deception]

You're raiding with the wrong people, web, if that is what has happened in your raiding experience.