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[Glenzig]

"If, now, that right eye of yours is making you stumble, tear it out and throw it away p. 7from you. For it is more beneficial to you for one of your members to be lost to you than for your whole body to be pitched into Gehenna.”—Matthew 5:29.

Of course, Jesus was not advocating self-mutilation. Rather, he was stressing metaphorically that we should be willing to cut out of our life anything that is spiritually harmful. True, the action we take may be very painful. But it will protect us.

[Non Quixote]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have to say that's pretty funny. But scientists fight over what things mean too, so that's not a proof against any particular belief.

Never said that it was. Your belief system is of no concern to me so long as it doesn't infringe on my life in an adverse manner. Just because I don't believe in the supernatural doesn't mean that I don't believe that you have the right to.

You are free to worship your couch if it makes you happy, just don't drag it up on my porch and harangue me to worship it too.

Scientists do disagree, sometimes on really big things, like a steady state universe versus an expanding universe, but eventually they reach a consensus agreement the majority of the time. Then they move on. Oftentimes someone discovers that a theory needs refinement, like the Theory of Gravity, and so it is further refined. It's fair to say that theories are constantly refined as new evidence presents itself.

[Whirled]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Empty promises. God isnt real. Quit wasting the only life you KNOW you have believing in magic and fairy tales.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itvnQ2QB4yc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLO7tCdBVrA

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Non Quixote [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never said that it was. Your belief system is of no concern to me so long as it doesn't infringe on my life in an adverse manner. Just because I don't believe in the supernatural doesn't mean that I don't believe that you have the right to.

Thank you. And just to be clear this is the same exact stance I have toward evolution, or any other belief. Everyone is a free moral agent and can make those decisions for themselves. I've never felt compelled to force my beliefs on anyone. Do I share them, yes. But that's different than trying to force someone to believe what I believe.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by Non Quixote [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is just about the polar opposite of what I posted.

Sure it is

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by Non Quixote [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never said that it was. Your belief system is of no concern to me so long as it doesn't infringe on my life in an adverse manner. Just because I don't believe in the supernatural doesn't mean that I don't believe that you have the right to.

You are free to worship your couch if it makes you happy, just don't drag it up on my porch and harangue me to worship it too.

Scientists do disagree, sometimes on really big things, like a steady state universe versus an expanding universe, but eventually they reach a consensus agreement the majority of the time. Then they move on. Oftentimes someone discovers that a theory needs refinement, like the Theory of Gravity, and so it is further refined. It's fair to say that theories are constantly refined as new evidence presents itself.

Btw, there is nothing wrong with people going door to door asking if you want to hear what they have to say. It's ok that people have to accept the disease of being gay, but I'm not aloud to ask someone if they want to live the same happiness I do? Backwards logic there. What you also ask is that people accept facts that don't exist, but you also claim that people shouldn't accept, in your words, facts that don't exist. Also, the supernatural is up for personal interpretation for the most part.

(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

unnaturally or extraordinarily great.

This is open to basically ANYTHING currently not explainable could be considered supernatural. This even contradicts its other definition.

manifestations or events considered to be of supernatural origin, such as ghosts.

So God in "theory" could just work at advanced technological levels that we don't understand, therefore it must be what you imply the definition of supernatural should be, but in reality, anything not able to be currently explained is supernatural, hell, most scientific theories could be explained as supernatural, and you base your opinions off of that, yet claim you don't believe in the supernatural.

Let's not also ignore the claims that science makes to be able to do God like things one day, and the existence of other life out there, apparently it's even more far fetched to assume that a God could possibly exist right? In the end though your responses and own beliefs are full of hypocritical statements and opinions. It isn't that you think people shouldn't believe in something, it's that you think everyone should just agree with your misinformation.

[Non Quixote]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you. And just to be clear this is the same exact stance I have toward evolution, or any other belief. Everyone is a free moral agent and can make those decisions for themselves. I've never felt compelled to force my beliefs on anyone. Do I share them, yes. But that's different than trying to force someone to believe what I believe.

And yet you continue to insist that science is a belief system as is religion.

Is it all science that you relegate to a belief system, or just the ones that support biological evolution?

If medical science is a belief system aren't you just as well off sitting at home with a broken leg and praying over it as you are visiting an emergency room? If a loved one contracts a life threatening illness are you simply going to pray for divine intervention?

Do you believe that computer scientists prayed over a block of silicon to receive enlightenment regarding computational complexity theory? Or is it more reasonable to assume that they arrived at a theory using the tools of science?

It exasperates me to no end that a person will decry evolutionary theory one moment and the next show up for an injection to protect themselves from the latest evolutionary form of a flu virus.

"All science is solid except for that evolutionary science stuff. That's just voodoo."

[Non Quixote]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure it is

Thanks for being honest.

[Ket]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Btw, there is nothing wrong with people going door to door asking if you want to hear what they have to say. It's ok that people have to accept the disease of being gay, but I'm not aloud to ask someone if they want to live the same happiness I do? Backwards logic there. What you also ask is that people accept facts that don't exist, but you also claim that people shouldn't accept, in your words, facts that don't exist. Also, the supernatural is up for personal interpretation for the most part.

(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

unnaturally or extraordinarily great.

This is open to basically ANYTHING currently not explainable could be considered supernatural. This even contradicts its other definition.

manifestations or events considered to be of supernatural origin, such as ghosts.

So God in "theory" could just work at advanced technological levels that we don't understand, therefore it must be what you imply the definition of supernatural should be, but in reality, anything not able to be currently explained is supernatural, hell, most scientific theories could be explained as supernatural, and you base your opinions off of that, yet claim you don't believe in the supernatural.

Let's not also ignore the claims that science makes to be able to do God like things one day, and the existence of other life out there, apparently it's even more far fetched to assume that a God could possibly exist right? In the end though your responses and own beliefs are full of hypocritical statements and opinions. It isn't that you think people shouldn't believe in something, it's that you think everyone should just agree with your misinformation.

Wow - This actually has me dumbfounded.

-Ket