most underpowered class in game?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah, DPS is king. Churning through as many MOBs as possible to get exp or item drops or faction is the name of the game. The only utility that's needed most of the time is Root.



What does Enchanter resist debuff have to do with anything? The Shaman/Mage debuff stacks with the Enchanter's and is exactly wanted by Enchanters for less Charm breaks. And no the Shaman debuff is not better. Mages get the exact same line, aside from the unresistible one at 60, which is used for raid targets, not for charming.

Nah. If DPS was king Mages and Rogues could solo better than other classes. They cant. If it was king groups would gear screen. They don't.

Thats what i was talkng about for debuffs. The most important one (the unresistable one) is worse. Most groups do not get Mages for debuffing anyway.

If you think Malo/Mala is only useful in raids, you are sorely mistaken.

Sorry, but Mages aren't very good in this timeline.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah, DPS is king. Churning through as many MOBs as possible to get exp or item drops or faction is the name of the game. The only utility that's needed most of the time is Root.

Sorry but you're dead wrong on this.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry but you're dead wrong on this.

I'm not, but you should actually write argumentation and examples, otherwise you're saying nothing.

[Zuranthium]

Soloing is different than grouping, especially for Rogues, what a retarded argument. Mages can definitely solo a lot of content better than many classes anyway, you've made yet another fallacious statement.

Some groups DO gear screen. If they don't it's because of etiquette or not caring that much. Either way, this game is about killing as much shit as possible. To do that you need DPS. A group with low(er) DPS is inherently a group that won't be able to achieve as much as a higher DPS group in most situations, assuming the higher DPS group has the basic amount of survivability needed to do their DPS and the basic ability to get to the area they want to hunt in.

And no, the "most important" resist debuff for Charming is not the unresistible one. It's the one that gives the highest debuff, which Mages have.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And no, the "most important" resist debuff for Charming is not the unresistible one. It's the one that gives the highest debuff, which Mages have.

You clearly don't play this game a lot if you think that. The normal debuff line (spells like Malosini) have the same chance of being resisted as any other normal spell. If you can consistently land Malosini, you don't need a debuff in the first place. Your other spells will land just as often, unless the mob specifically has a high resistance to Fire/Cold/Poison. From my experience as a Shaman, I didn't need to cast Malo that often on most normal mobs, because most normal mobs just don't have high resistances.

Malo/Mala is the most important debuff spell because it is how you land something like Malosini on higher resistance mobs. These kinds of mobs are not restricted to raid mobs either.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The normal debuff line (spells like Malosini) have the same chance of being resisted as any other normal spell. If you can consistently land Malosini, you don't need a debuff in the first place.

Making charm break far less often, pretty much never breaking at all (before the duration ends on its own) when you're stacking the max resist debuff, is definitely a very helpful thing.

Your opinions in this thread have all been moronic. Very Ogre.

[Jibartik]

Did we figure it out yet? Which one is it?

[cd288]

Try doing Velks and Seb with low DPS and see how well your group does. Definitely going to be a highly efficient EXP group!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the dumbest take lol

Try doing Velks and Seb with low DPS and see how well your group does. Definitely going to be a highly efficient EXP group!

I have played on this server for years and have never seen a gear check outside of raid requirement gear, which isn't DPS related. If it mattered, a lot of people wouldn't be getting groups at all due to gear.

I have been in plenty of groups (including Velks) with bad DPS and we did fine. Most people on P99 are not Min/Maxing EXP groups precisely because DPS doesn't matter that much. Honestly most mobs in this game have pretty low HP.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Making charm break far less often, pretty much never breaking at all (before the duration ends on its own) when you're stacking the max resist debuff, is definitely a very helpful thing.

Your opinions in this thread have all been moronic. Very Ogre.

You seem to think Enchanters don't solo. Enchanters do not NEED the Malo line of spells for the most part to successfully charm. Enchanters can also give -MR gear to their pets. If an Enchanter wants a duo partner, they are going to pick other classes over a Mage, such as a Cleric. For the majority of encounters it really isn't necessary, and again Mages do not have a monopoly on resist debuffs. It isn't like every group is clamoring for a Shaman/Mage specifically because of Malo. In some cases it is required, but not for the majority of encounters.

[TripSin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have played on this server for years and have never seen a gear check outside of raid requirement gear, which isn't DPS related. If it mattered, a lot of people wouldn't be getting groups at all due to gear.

I have been in plenty of groups (including Velks) with bad DPS and we did fine. Most people on P99 are not Min/Maxing EXP groups precisely because DPS doesn't matter that much. Honestly most mobs in this game have pretty low HP.



You seem to think Enchanters don't solo. Enchanters do not NEED the Malo line of spells for the most part to successfully charm. Enchanters can also give -MR gear to their pets. If an Enchanter wants a duo partner, they are going to pick other classes over a Mage, such as a Cleric. For the majority of encounters it really isn't necessary, and again Mages do not have a monopoly on resist debuffs. It isn't like every group is clamoring for a Shaman/Mage specifically because of Malo. In some cases it is required, but not for the majority of encounters.

Just because most people aren't ridiculously anal people who are going to do gear checks before letting you into a group doesn't mean that DPS doesn't matter.