Discussion: Play Nice (Training, Bind Camping)

[Liebestod]

Sorry to re-dredge an old post but...

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I posted this in Loot n Scoot too. Easiest way to enforce everything:

Enforce hacking/exploiting. Otherwise, leave it to the players.

The players will govern themselves. If everyone trains, the strong will make it to 50 and raid, and trainers names stick with them forever. PKers will never get a guild. Just douse the hacking/exploits and this might be the easiest server to deal with.

Let me guess, you played on Rallos Zek. (If not, you'd fit right in) This was the best and worst thing about Rallos Zek. It was a badge of honor to be a pk'er because you had to basically fight the entire server.

But this bullshit about ostracizing people who like to PVP is where it begins, soon the "Anti'pk'ers" are the ones training, acting like "because they're the bad guys it's okay."

Rallos turned into a neutered server once velious came out because the non-pvp'ing pussies raided, pk'ers couldn't and the gear disparagement grew from every expansion on, in planes of power 4 players without the best gear could take on one geared in PoT and he could laugh it off.

I'm not saying if someone is killing everyone randomly you should still trust/group with him, I'm just saying it can turn quickly from "PVP is to settle issues" and "guild wars" into "Hey everyone, if WE play nice, we can ALL get gear"

[Softcore PK]

Originally Posted by Liebestod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me guess, you played on Rallos Zek. (If not, you'd fit right in) This was the best and worst thing about Rallos Zek. It was a badge of honor to be a pk'er because you had to basically fight the entire server.

But this bullshit about ostracizing people who like to PVP is where it begins, soon the "Anti'pk'ers" are the ones training, acting like "because they're the bad guys it's okay."

Rallos turned into a neutered server once velious came out because the non-pvp'ing pussies raided, pk'ers couldn't and the gear disparagement grew from every expansion on, in planes of power 4 players without the best gear could take on one geared in PoT and he could laugh it off.

I'm not saying if someone is killing everyone randomly you should still trust/group with him, I'm just saying it can turn quickly from "PVP is to settle issues" and "guild wars" into "Hey everyone, if WE play nice, we can ALL get gear"

That would be so cool! I never got to experience high end on RZ, but each of the pvp servers had some very interesting and unique things going for them. It won't happen here, though. The biggest guild is already comprised of very serious PKers and they have a good chance at becoming top pve guild. Anyone who wishes to compete with them will be forced to pvp.

Don't worry, there is no conceivable way for this server to become like RZ :P

[Zalaerian]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PKers will never get a guild. Just douse the hacking/exploits and this might be the easiest server to deal with.

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[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Bkab [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wow you are delusional. why are you even playing here blubie scum?

Everything he said is true about RZ, but the dynamic will be different here then RZ. This server will have a lot more hate then RZ had back then.

There were only a couple strong pvp guilds back then and they were usually not that strong for a sustainable amount of time. The best raiding guilds were all anti pk and when they weren't raiding they were looking for reasons to PK without being labeled a PK. They were much worse then the actual pvpers when it came to griefing because once they found someone they could attack they would do anything to keep killing them as often as possible.

It was about 80-90% anti pk on that server.

[Nirgon]

If you attack a raid and get killed, you should be willing to wait until said raid is over to get your corpse.

If there are hostile players in a dungeon, know the risk you are taking upon yourself before going in, deciding to stay or attacking them. I don't think this LNS thing should be GM enforced.

IE - someone zones in, ganks a person in a group and runs away. He then tries to call a GM enforced LNS on that person so the group in question has to go on for an hour (or predetermined time) a man down. -> Stupid.

[Taluvill]

*Shrug* The point of my post was "Don't enforce us, we will enforce ourselves." Regardless of what happens, I just don't want some GM coming in and banning people because they trained for a camp, or because it took 3 hours to deal with Naggy due to PvP.

There shouldn't be a play nice policy, just don't hack/exploit. If someone is greifing you, log out for an hour.

[Softcore PK]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*Shrug* The point of my post was "Don't enforce us, we will enforce ourselves." Regardless of what happens, I just don't want some GM coming in and banning people because they trained for a camp, or because it took 3 hours to deal with Naggy due to PvP.

There shouldn't be a play nice policy, just don't hack/exploit. If someone is greifing you, log out for an hour.

For the most part that's how it's going to be. The only exception is training. So don't train!

[john_savage1982]

Training will happen whether intentional or not - especially when PvP happening in dungeons and high level raid zones.

Example: PvP action in Unrest. Monk runs from group who just rolled up, gathering mobs in the flight. Decides to FD to get mobs off him - mobs train attacks group.

Example: Raid PvP in Hate. Guild A is clearing trash. Guild B rolls up mid-pull and starts attacking Guild A. Monk comes back before he is informed of attack, finding Guild B in his way back. Most prudent move is to FD mobs off him onto Guild B who just surprised attacked his guild.

I think the context of training could make the issue less black and white than it seems on the surface. Instead of delegating GM time for arbitration, I believe it would be better for the players themselves to moderate each others' actions because, after all, this is a PvP server where reputation means everything. Do you think for a second that any respect (and forgiveness) will be given to players who consistently cause problems for others?

The complete freedom of interaction is what makes PvP so exciting. The less rules imposed, the more freedom for player-generated rules, which is, I believe, ultimately a more fulfilling MMORPG experience.

[Envious]

All the hardcore Holocaust PK'ers successfully campaigned against training.

[Snufz]

SZ ruleset is the best.

Not many people would last on it though.