Progression? lol

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Zereh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course you see no bias; every decision rolls out in your favor. =)

Why should a raider's experience in P99 be defined by whether they chose to be in your guild or not? You're not special, you get special treatment. That's the only distinction between you and the rest of us.

In fact, none of that is true. I am not and never have been a member of Transatlantic Rampage, Inglorious Basterds, or any related entity. I've never even apped, and given the fact that I play about 12 hours a week, I don't think I'm real high on the priority list. For as much as you believe TMO is the victim of TR favoritism, the favoritism displayed toward end-game raiders -- both TR and TMO -- via un-Classic, unreasonably large variances is vastly more obvious than any inter-guild preferences. GMs were so concerned with preventing the "hardcore" dolts from poopsocking and making a mess of things that they instituted variances so large that no non-hardcore raid guild could possibly compete on a mob-to-mob basis. So I am part of a totally different favoritism argument. I have no dog in the TR-TMO fight. Just giving an objective opinion of why TR seems to benefit from so much favoritism. It's not favoritism, they just provide evidence for all their points. AND, more importantly, they pick their battles better. When they don't have proof or when they're demonstrably wrong, they shut up and hope it goes away, which is the smart way to handle things.

[Rais]

Why can't you answer a yes or no question, G13? Pretty straight forward question, not able to honestly answer it?

[getsome]

Originally Posted by Labyrrinth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As you so eloquently posted and demonstrated, the "run" at bard speed as evidenced by your post took you 4 min. 15 sec.

When you timed that, you were not concerned about keeping Sev aggro'd on you or having Sev follow you. All you were concerned with was running to the camp spot indicated as fast as you could.

Sev does not run at bard speed.

Therefore, trying to pull Sev to the camp indicated would have taken in excess of your timed run of 4 min, 15 seconds. In fact, it would have taken over 6 minutes.

I made the map to show you how impractical it was to have a bard take over 6 minutes to make it to camp after agroing sev. I took the route your own puller said he took. Since he said he was following zone walls.

I hate to say it, but you clearly have no grasp of the mechanics of the game.

India once you agro sev the first time, you do not need to "keep him agro'd" while you run to your camp. You do not lose aggro from lack of proximity on P99.

I already explained that the run from pull spot to kill spot takes less than 2 minutes @ "bard speed". I already explained Sev takes 4 minutes to traverse that same distance.

/boggle

[Daldolma]

Serious questions:

If it's true that Rogean and Nilbog are these corrupt GMs that display favoritism at every turn and guarantee TR's dominance, then how do you explain:

1) Xzerion remaining named Xzerion. If something sinister was afoot, the easiest thing in the world would have been to have Xzerion "step down" as Developer. It would be the easiest thing in the world to lie about -- how would anyone else know? Let him keep developing and say he's not. Let him develop under a different name and say he's not. If this whole server is founded on a scheme to protect IB/TR, why not tell one excruciatingly simple lie to get 18 months' worth of heat off their backs?

2) Eashan being banned. He is, by a few greatly distorted accounts, Rogean's best bud. So why the hell would he get banned? Better question: if Rogean and Nilbog were so corrupt, why the hell would they give so much power to Uthgaard, who according to
this narrative was not in on the conspiracy? Why not make Swarws head GM, under a different name? Why allow a guy like Uthgaard to ban your RL buddy? Uthgaard was not fired. He quit. If they were so concerned with protecting IB/TR, then why ever allow Uthgaard the insight he had in the first place? The server was fine before him, and it's fine after him -- it's not like he was absolutely vital. If he was endangering the key component of the server, there'd be no reason for adding him.

3) The 365 account suspensions. Lost in all the idiocy is the fact that this sting operation targeted, and arguably punished most harshly, TR. People complain that it wasn't harsh enough, but the truth is that NONE of us have access to the list of 365 names. If Rogean and Nilbog were so corrupt, why suspend Perun? Just cross him off the list. None of us would know. Ditto every member of TR. In fact, if they wanted to, they could accuse Zeelot and Durison of using 3rd party programs, ban them permanently, and none of us would be any the wiser. Would anyone have believed Perun if he said he didn't actually cheat? Carry that logic over. Nobody would believe Zeelot or Durison. If Nilbog and Rogean wanted them gone, they'd be gone.

What this all comes down to is the fact that if favoritism were in effect, there would be hundreds of more effective, less obvious ways to enforce that favoritism than to supposedly side with TR in every dispute. These guys run the damn server. They don't need to side with TR in disputes -- they could prevent the disputes from ever even occurring if they wanted to. The argument is just based on such flawed logic. They have control over literally every aspect of the server, but they choose to exercise their favoritism by responding to TR's petitions faster than TMO's?

[Labyrrinth]

Originally Posted by getsome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I made the map to show you how impractical it was to have a bard take over 6 minutes to make it to camp after agroing sev. I took the route your own puller said he took. Since he said he was following zone walls.

I hate to say it, but you clearly have no grasp of the mechanics of the game.

India once you agro sev the first time, you do not need to "keep him agro'd" while you run to your camp. You do not lose aggro from lack of proximity on P99.

I already explained that the run from pull spot to kill spot takes less than 2 minutes @ "bard speed". I already explained Sev takes 4 minutes to traverse that same distance.

/boggle

Don't act like an idiot. I know you don't "lose aggro" however with you guys in the zone he did want to make sure he kept the mob on him, in sight... you guys do the same damn thing.

He's also explained multiple times that he ran the only way he knew because he wasn't or isn't that familiar with the zone.

It's not your or anyone elses call to tell him he must pull the dragon via the shortest route possible.

Your arguments are weak, they are only being used to try to validate your actions. No validation is needed, we know whose playground this is.

[getsome]

Originally Posted by Labyrrinth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't act like an idiot. I know you don't "lose aggro" however with you guys in the zone he did want to make sure he kept the mob on him, in sight... you guys do the same damn thing.

If your puller wanted to keep the dragon in sight, then why was your puller in your camp over 6 minutes after agroing sev. And sev was about 1/3 of the way across the zone? (out of sight)

Want fraps?

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by getsome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If your puller wanted to keep the dragon in sight, then why was your puller in your camp over 6 minutes after agroing sev. And sev was about 1/3 of the way across the zone? (out of sight)

Want fraps?

I've wanted the damn fraps forever, but none of you would show me the day of.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Serious questions:

If it's true that Rogean and Nilbog are these corrupt GMs that display favoritism at every turn and guarantee TR's dominance, then how do you explain:

1) Xzerion remaining named Xzerion. If something sinister was afoot, the easiest thing in the world would have been to have Xzerion "step down" as Developer. It would be the easiest thing in the world to lie about -- how would anyone else know? Let him keep developing and say he's not. Let him develop under a different name and say he's not. If this whole server is founded on a scheme to protect IB/TR, why not tell one excruciatingly simple lie to get 18 months' worth of heat off their backs?

I don't believe your questions are serious, because you're being completely disingenuous with your premise. You have to know the history of the server from the very beginning to understand why Xzerion kept the name Xzerion. In the early days, there was a lot of grumbling about IB having developers in their guild, which was routinely denied by Rogean. Xzerion created a post though using his developer account, which happened to be the same name as his player character. It was by accident, so the cat was let out of the bag.

Once it was established that IB did in fact have a developer as their guild leader, the narrative changed. We were then told it wasn't a big deal and no favortism would be shown. Throughout the history of raiding on this server, obviously that hasn't been the case. It became progressively worse as Xzerion abused his power more and more. A prime example of he did so was by changing the pathing of mobs to non classic, so a rival guild couldn't stage at a specific area in Vox's lair. He was the "pathing developer", so he would have been able to do this.

Originally this was not even mentioned in the patch notes. It was later revised when people pointed it out. I've always wondered if Rogean knew before he made the patch live if that TT pathing was there and allowed to go through anyways. We'll never know.

IB was losing badly to DA at the time, so Xzerion used his powers as developer to even up the playing field. Why Rogean didn't disband his guild then and there and remove him from developer duties is because Rogean and Xzerion are RL pals.

2) Eashan being banned. He is, by a few greatly distorted accounts, Rogean's best bud. So why the hell would he get banned? Better question: if Rogean and Nilbog were so corrupt, why the hell would they give so much power to Uthgaard, who according to
this narrative was not in on the conspiracy? Why not make Swarws head GM, under a different name? Why allow a guy like Uthgaard to ban your RL buddy? Uthgaard was not fired. He quit. If they were so concerned with protecting IB/TR, then why ever allow Uthgaard the insight he had in the first place? The server was fine before him, and it's fine after him -- it's not like he was absolutely vital. If he was endangering the key component of the server, there'd be no reason for adding him.

You have to know why Uthgaard was "hired" in the first place to truly understand what's been going on here. Eashan is irrelevant. Rogean did exactly what you stated when he made Uuaellaen (TR member) a GM under a different name (Cyrius). If Cyrius hadn't abused his powers so blatantly in favor of IB and been more subtle as Rogean and Nilbog are, perhaps they could have kept up the charade a bit longer and not needed to hire Uthgaard.

Uthgaard was originally hired because of the main issue that has plagued P99 since it's inception. Developer favortism of one core of players because of their RL connections (IB). All TR is are a few of those core IB left, along with some chickenshit DA who sold out, and a bunch of euro scrubs used for zerg numbers. The person who always ran that show has been Xzerion. The special relationship he had with the development team remained intact throughout their entire history of merging with this guild or that.

You also had Uuaelean running around at the time as Cyrius pretending to be a GM, blatantly making fucked up biased decisions so skewed, that Rogean was forced to hire "an outsider not affiliated with the server" (Uthgaard) for damage control. That's the only reason why Uthgaard was originally hired. The reason why Uthgaard quit, is because he wasn't allowed to do his job when it came to mediating punishment against a specific guild and their guild leader. Xzerion and IB/TR. Once again Rogean was there to save Xzerion's ass after he was caught red handed abusing his power.

On top if that you had Xzerion then quit with some manipulative crybaby post in a pitiful attempt to shift blame and focus away from himself and who was there blaming the "ungrateful fucks" IE YOU for making Xzerion step down as a developer? Rogean and Nilbog. We were all supposed to feel guilty that Xzerion was a corrupt piece of shit and Nilbog and Rogean were covering for him. Amazingly some people actually believed that steaming pile of shit that was being served to them.

3) The 365 account suspensions. Lost in all the idiocy is the fact that this sting operation targeted, and arguably punished most harshly, TR. People complain that it wasn't harsh enough, but the truth is that NONE of us have access to the list of 365 names. If Rogean and Nilbog were so corrupt, why suspend Perun? Just cross him off the list. None of us would know. Ditto every member of TR. In fact, if they wanted to, they could accuse Zeelot and Durison of using 3rd party programs, ban them permanently, and none of us would be any the wiser. Would anyone have believed Perun if he said he didn't actually cheat? Carry that logic over. Nobody would believe Zeelot or Durison. If Nilbog and Rogean wanted them gone, they'd be gone.

Again you're completely missing the point. The fact that you don't have access to the names of the people suspended should tell you something. What would you do if this was your box and you caught 365 accounts hacking? Would you just suspend them and de-lvl them which is just an inconvenience, or would actually enforce the rules you put in place?

You're assuming the results of their findings were what was expected, when it was completely the opposite. The pattern of development decisions we keep seeing are damage control to protect and coddle one specific guild. Everyone was assuming, even the fat depressed loser who lied about his military service, that Durison would be the one to get caught using 3rd party hacks along with TMO leadership. That wasn't the case. It was actually TR/IB leadership that was caught. That wasn't supposed to happen.

If TR leadership hadn't been caught and one of TMOs leaders was caught, you would have seen a different decision and a different outcome. TMO would have been guild disbanded. Period. The only reason those 365 accounts were spared, is because they were protecting incredibly valuable accounts within TR/IB. The cheaters dodged a bullet to protect a select few in the guild with developer ties.

What this all comes down to is the fact that if favoritism were in effect, there would be hundreds of more effective, less obvious ways to enforce that favoritism than to supposedly side with TR in every dispute. These guys run the damn server. They don't need to side with TR in disputes -- they could prevent the disputes from ever even occurring if they wanted to. The argument is just based on such flawed logic. They have control over literally every aspect of the server, but they choose to exercise their favoritism by responding to TR's petitions faster than TMO's?

Favortism can be shown in many ways as has been outlined by many posters throughout the history of P99. A decision was made about long term outcomes regarding those 365 suspended accounts. Not a short one. I can guarantee the shit hit the fan when they saw the results and realized what was happening. If Uthgaard hadn't been a part of the team at that time, we'd never know the real results and Rogean and Nilbog could have manipulated the data and the situation in any way they wanted to, to coddle IB/TR which is exactly what you are seeing now. How and why any of you people still trust these two twenty something year old kids pretending to be developers is beyond me.

They had to keep pretenses up initially to appease Uthgaard, but they decided to take a gamble with their decision, dressing it up as "Well there were so many accounts suspended that we decided to not ban them permanently" as an excuse. It was also an attempt at good PR which backfired.

The truth is if you looked at the population numbers while those "365 accounts were suspended" there really wasn't much of a population hit. Maybe a reduction of about 100 players at best. There wasn't a massive reduction of population like you should have seen with so many accounts suspended.

You people have all been hoodwinked by a bunch of kids pretending to be SOE developers that created a sandbox, where their RL pals get special treatment. It doesn't matter how much evidence is shown of the coddling, people still continue to play here believing it's an even playing field when it isn't. You rationalize it because there is no viable alternative at the moment. Who wants to play on Fippy? They use the shitty models and it isn't the true old world design, so it's not the same thing to classic purists such as myself.

If there was a viable alternative this place would be a ghost town. Players wouldn't have to put up with biased developers who call the player base that breathes life into the server "ungrateful fucks".

[Awwalike]

everyone should just follow the golden rule..

[Uaellaen]

very interesting read ... i always thought zereh is one of the good gals, guess shes as gullible as the rest >< so sad ...

i have something for you whiners and novel writers ... take a step back and tell me this:

what did you do for the server?
did you guide?
did you dev?
did you do anything besides logging in and play?

how dare you attack those that spent hundrets and THOUSANDS of hours doing all this?

i know that most of you will not even understand why i am asking those questions, alot of you have proven that you are almost immune to education.

P.S.: Nilbog is about the most straight forward guy i ever met on the internet, no reason to attack him or his work. Challange: do it better, PEQ code is open source.