the i dont care about politics anymore thread

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This country would not exist if it were not for protestors

Old school protestors I respect the shit out of

Modern ones that throw literal screaming adult temper tantrums in public, not at all. Not even a little bit

[Kaveh]

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would, yes. There's a whole bunch of stuff in that whole Bible thing about that specific issue. Somehow, consistently, conservative Christians seem to look the other way on that one.

This country would not exist if it were not for protestors

There are nearly 8 billion people on this planet. We’d run out of lemonade rather quick if we listened to you and Reiwa on this one

We also have a lot of poor ass people doing terribly within the US. They’re a priority to neither political party. Idk man, I think the claim that open borders is “the right thing” or the Christian thing just doesn’t stand up to reality

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Kaveh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are nearly 8 billion people on this planet. We’d run out of lemonade rather quick if we listened to you and Reiwa on this one

We also have a lot of poor ass people doing terribly within the US. They’re a priority to neither political party. Idk man, I think the claim that open borders is “the right thing” or the Christian thing just doesn’t stand up to reality

Asylum is an international obligation. I have no opinion on altering the deal, but I won't pretend the deal doesn't exist.

We wouldn't have an adjucation problem and there wouldn't be child cages if we had open borders. This is sass, not an endorsement.

[Basanos]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Old school protestors I respect the shit out of

Modern ones that throw literal screaming adult temper tantrums in public, not at all. Not even a little bit

You are letting the media lead you around by the nose on this issue. They have a vested interest in making all protests look worse than they are. For someone who often decries the liberal media, you're falling for their trap. I am sure if you were to look for news articles back in the Civil Rights era you would find articles describing those protests of MLK and co. being called "adult temper tantrums". Or some such garbage, there was plenty of it.

Go to one and see for yourself.

Originally Posted by Kaveh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are nearly 8 billion people on this planet. We’d run out of lemonade rather quick if we listened to you and Reiwa on this one

We also have a lot of poor ass people doing terribly within the US. They’re a priority to neither political party. Idk man, I think the claim that open borders is “the right thing” or the Christian thing just doesn’t stand up to reality

We sure do have a lot of people that are poor in the US that are not being helped whatsoever by either party. Both sets of people need help, and both sets of people are in need of that help largely because of the action and inaction of people in the United States and other 'developed' countries. The right thing to do is rarely the easy thing to do.

Slashing military spending ought to cover it, not that it's politically viable to even think about it for either party of warmongers.

There aren't eight billion people in South and Central America, though. US, and all other 'developed' countries have plummeting population growth. People who live nearest the equator are going to experience the worst effects of climate change, which is also due to the action and inaction of people in the United States and other 'developed' countries. It won't be easy, but it is our moral obligation to help every last person that attempts to enter the United States. I think this responsibility should be shared with other 'developed' countries, not just the US.

[Reiwa]

Anyway, Fetterman seems real bad and I got uncomfortable watching it.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are letting the media lead you around by the nose on this issue. They have a vested interest in making all protests look worse than they are. For someone who often decries the liberal media, you're falling for their trap. I am sure if you were to look for news articles back in the Civil Rights era you would find articles describing those protests of MLK and co. being called "adult temper tantrums". Or some such garbage, there was plenty of it.

Go to one and see for yourself.

I’ve not heard one media source call them that. Those are entirely my words, from seeing protestors scream, spit, make inhuman noises in attempts to drown out speakers saying things they don’t like

Chants, I have no problem with. Catchy sayings, no problem. Marching, no problem. But when you use boat horns, sirens (these were at the Matt walsh protests) you are literally exploiting a free speech loophole in order to silence via drowning out someone else’s free speech, and that’s a bunch of bullshit to me

I know that most protests still don’t have these, but the ones that protest conservative rallies do

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’ve not heard one media source call them that. Those are entirely my words, from seeing protestors scream, spit, make inhuman noises in attempts to drown out speakers saying things they don’t like

Chants, I have no problem with. Catchy sayings, no problem. Marching, no problem. But when you use boat horns, sirens (these were at the Matt walsh protests) you are literally exploiting a free speech loophole in order to silence via drowning out someone else’s free speech, and that’s a bunch of bullshit to me

I know that most protests still don’t have these, but the ones that protest conservative rallies do

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler's_veto

[Kaveh]

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are letting the media lead you around by the nose on this issue. They have a vested interest in making all protests look worse than they are. For someone who often decries the liberal media, you're falling for their trap. I am sure if you were to look for news articles back in the Civil Rights era you would find articles describing those protests of MLK and co. being called "adult temper tantrums". Or some such garbage, there was plenty of it.

Go to one and see for yourself.

We sure do have a lot of people that are poor in the US that are not being helped whatsoever by either party. Both sets of people need help, and both sets of people are in need of that help largely because of the action and inaction of people in the United States and other 'developed' countries. The right thing to do is rarely the easy thing to do.

Slashing military spending ought to cover it, not that it's politically viable to even think about it for either party of warmongers.

There aren't eight billion people in South and Central America, though. US, and all other 'developed' countries have plummeting population growth. People who live nearest the equator are going to experience the worst effects of climate change, which is also due to the action and inaction of people in the United States and other 'developed' countries. It won't be easy, but it is our moral obligation to help every last person that attempts to enter the United States. I think this responsibility should be shared with other 'developed' countries, not just the US.

If you help every last person who enters the United States, you will have a never ending cycle of people entering the United States

Military spending ought to cover it? Do you know how much it costs to provide people with everything? Housing and food in the US is 10x as expensive as it is in El Salvador. Even if your goal is to help, foreign aid would be far more efficient and utilitarian

I’ve heard every argument about illegal immigration in my lifetime, not only because I’m a legal immigrant but also because my daughter in law is Salvadoran. Frankly, all of them sound like wishful thinking not grounded in mathematics. We are broke

[Kaveh]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Asylum is an international obligation. I have no opinion on altering the deal, but I won't pretend the deal doesn't exist.

We wouldn't have an adjucation problem and there wouldn't be child cages if we had open borders. This is sass, not an endorsement.

Thanks for the update on international law. You don’t seem to care about it when Russia bombs power stations and water treatment facilities

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler's_veto

Exactly. Why not just pull the fire alarm of the building at that point to shut it down?

(Btw, at the last Matt Walsh college speech, they did that too)