So, let's clear the air, a message from your friendly Dark Ascension Shaman

[Pheer]

lol DA is so mad right now, theyve cranked the propaganda machine into overdrive

[spok]

I initially liked everyone in IB. Tables turned when people left. I left when IB was on the outs. I tried out DA and liked DA. Most of my previous guild Eminence ended up DA.

I still like some ppl in IB and have nothing against them. For the most part though - I would appreciate if the guild as a whole was treated like every other player on the server.

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by spok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I initially liked everyone in IB. Tables turned when people left. I left when IB was on the outs. I tried out DA and liked DA. Most of my previous guild Eminence ended up DA.

I still like some ppl in IB and have nothing against them. For the most part though - I would appreciate if the guild as a whole was treated like every other player on the server.

So why dont you tell us about the crazy gm favoritism you must have witnessed while in IB

[Loke]

Let me preface this by stating I am not arguing any GM decisions. It's their server and how the hand out punishment is their business. I haven't always agreed with their decisions and have voiced my opinion on them, but ultimately I respect whatever they choose.

That being said, there may have been GM decisions regarding IB members that you don't agree with, but similarly there are ones that affected DA as well that everyone seems to forget in threads like this. I'm sure Raren could enlighten us on certain unbanned members of DA who were involved in his little dupe scandal. Or how about Darkith? Has everyone forgot about the DA tagged L20 rogue rolling around in an RBB, Vox Spear and Bone Razor? How about the Druid in DA who is currently in possession of a CT staff that was suppose to have been deleted by GMs? There are more instances, but I think I've proved my point...

What I'm getting at is that the GMs do the best they can. Nilbog isn't letting Xzerion just roll around making updates to screw DA, just as Rogean, Cyrius, Uthgaard and the other GMs aren't allowing IB members to run around doing whatever they please. They aren't perfect, but do a pretty damn good job in my opinion. You just only remember the instances where you feel DA got screwed, and forget the ones that benefited you guys.

[Supreme Retard]

Originally Posted by Gwence [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

spok you hate ib so much, why did you app to us?

You should probably stick to training instead of speaking, at least that's something you're good at!

[Whistle]

"Yeah i know if i was still in IB when i duped those items and hooked Xzerion up i woulda been good" -Raren

Originally Posted by Cyrius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are quite wrong. You would have been banned even quicker.

Originally Posted by Virtuosos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

old news, buddy...i never hid the fact that i used seq from the guild or from the GM's.

Originally Posted by Supreme Retard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What a surprise, IB & Transcendence members openly using SEQ. Were they ever punished/banned? No. Why is Virtuosos still playing on here after admitting he used SEQ for months on P99? Perhaps the banhammer needs to fall again and some other guilds need to be "suspended from raiding" too. Clearly despite you being quick to point fingers at people in DA your shit stinks just as bad, and probably worse.

Well take your fucking time banning Virtuosos. Perhaps Gwence should train away for another several months before you deliver another light slap on the wrist too.

A prominent DA member was blatantly guilty and got banned. Fuck him, he deserved it.

Does no guild other than DA have their leadership continuously banned for lengths of time for matters they were not personally involved in? Who else was suspended from raiding for the actions of one?

[Trax]

You're all paranoid, and delusional.

[spok]

I hadn't logged in for about 2 weeks due to actions of players in IB during a raid in PoFear. I log in the other day, come to find we are suspended as a whole from raiding. I /q instantly.

Read this post on the board and go "WTF?"

Come to find, Koota is not the first and will not be the last to be caught using h4x. DA may accept the punishment - I do not.

It's hard to set a precedence after one has already been established. This is exactly why. So and so did it but received a slap on the wrist, someone else does and an entire guild gets suspended from raiding?

My other post about things stating IB is immune to this and that is not entirely true and is an embellishment. I have seen IB players get away with training, I did see that Xzerion did change the pathing of a mob where DA sets up a raid, I did experience a raid where we wiped due to a monk from IB flopping mobs on us and gwence training adds on us then minutes later they wipe and get a CS rez while we are dealing with a wipe. Players in your guild have been caught cheating as you have mentioned and they did not receive the same punishment.

So tell me - would that change your views on how another guild is treated? Do I think players like Ponden would condone things of those nature? No. I think many in IB would be upset if they knew they were taking part in a guild that allows and maybe promotes such things. I was oblivious to koota's situation and I was pretty upset knowing that I was in his guild. I am positive all of the DA members are embarrassed and ashamed as well

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me preface this by stating I am not arguing any GM decisions. It's their server and how the hand out punishment is their business. I haven't always agreed with their decisions and have voiced my opinion on them, but ultimately I respect whatever they choose.

That being said, there may have been GM decisions regarding IB members that you don't agree with, but similarly there are ones that affected DA as well that everyone seems to forget in threads like this. I'm sure Raren could enlighten us on certain unbanned members of DA who were involved in his little dupe scandal. Or how about Darkith? Has everyone forgot about the DA tagged L20 rogue rolling around in an RBB, Vox Spear and Bone Razor? How about the Druid in DA who is currently in possession of a CT staff that was suppose to have been deleted by GMs? There are more instances, but I think I've proved my point...

What I'm getting at is that the GMs do the best they can. Nilbog isn't letting Xzerion just roll around making updates to screw DA, just as Rogean, Cyrius, Uthgaard and the other GMs aren't allowing IB members to run around doing whatever they please. They aren't perfect, but do a pretty damn good job in my opinion. You just only remember the instances where you feel DA got screwed, and forget the ones that benefited you guys.

I'm glad someone said it, because this has been reverberating on various forums for a while now. There was a LOT of shady shit that happened before that was simply forgotten about under the assumption that people didn't give a crap. Well, we do, and every time something new pops up it's absolutely disheartening. I also find that it's quite amusing that it's Loke outing some of it, but that's neither here nor there (sort of like how Virtuosos apologizes for cheating yet didn't seem to care for months and months prior when other people used it and when he himself did).

I understand it's hard to be fair and balanced, but can we at least even the god damn playing field so that there's no incentive to SEQ at all on raids? Please please please dump the stupid fucking variance. If I have to deal with trains and continuous FRAPS then so be it, so long as i know that there isn't somebody who's getting an unfair advantage that's damn near impossible to detect. If there's not going to be a downloaded p99 program to detect the thing then something *has* to be done. This isn't the first time a guild has been caught using something like this or knowing timers beforehand, but it is the first time an entire guild has been punished for it. And the prior offense was FAR more malicious and yet the leadership wasn't banned nor reprimanded (at least to my knowledge). I love the GMs and the staff here, but that really left a horrendous taste in my mouth.

I'm not here to bitch moan and cry, I just want an even playing field.

[Whistle]

Originally Posted by spok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I did experience a raid where we wiped due to a monk from IB flopping mobs on us and gwence training adds on us then minutes later they wipe and get a CS rez while we are dealing with a wipe. Players in your guild have been caught cheating as you have mentioned and they did not receive the same punishment.

This was Dracoliche. Our best monk had a solo pull on Draco and is subsequently trained by Gwence with a shitload right as our tank engages. Then they petition and get bullshit CSR rezes as well as the mob they trained us to get. Lovely server we have here.