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06-23-2023, 12:06 PM
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I am sorry, but you don't get to decide how other people want to play the game. Your entire argument hinges on the assumption everybody wants to play the game in the exact same way as yourself. You really need to get a life if you think you can enforce such a policy by insulting other people on a forum. It is clear you are losing the argument when you try to play a semantic game about what "teleport" means in a 20 year old elf sim[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] CoTH is the only other spell in the game besides ports/evacs that allows you to teleport a player other than yourself, which is why it is not the same as something like Gate, another apples to oranges comparison you made earlier. You also are twisting my words about Warriors and Enchanters, another sign of losing the argument. I said a low level, well twinked Warrior can solo better than a low level Enchanter. That doesn't mean I am saying "A Warrior solos better than an Enchanter", because that implies I said a level 60 Warrior can solo better than a level 60 Enchanter, which is obviously not true. I was specifically referring to the level range of about 1-30. Again, this is why the thread is 377 pages. You twist peoples words and make strawmen to try and sound right. If that isn't trolling, it is disingenuous at best.
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06-23-2023, 07:51 PM
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Because where in my post did I suggest I get to decide how people play the game? It's more that no one sane will appreciate root rotting in a charm group of 4 people. I've never seen anyone suggest what you described in a group, because why on earth would they? If you want to suddenly switch this to "safety is better than an extra DPS", then why wouldn't I want a druid instead? They can snare the charms, and they can get the 2 enchanters and 1 cleric faster to place they want to be. They can even throw in an extra charm if the zone allows. Why would this group want a shaman? Shaman is a very powerful jack of all trades caster, but enchanter and cleric both have its abilities covered, and even supersede it. How is this not obvious to everyone who has played this game for even a moderate amount of time? Quote:
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06-23-2023, 08:12 PM
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This isn't just my opinion either. If you have played the game for a while and have been on these forums, you would know that is a common enough suggestion for trios. It's not a large logical leap to take a strong trio and tac an extra class onto it when discussing a group of four players.
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06-23-2023, 02:35 PM
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DSM most of what you do is point out technical vagrancies and propose strawman arguments. Most of the arguments you have are meaningless if not strawman. You are not comprehending simple concepts. You act as if you don't know some things are true.
You are either a disciplined troll or you have some mental disability combined with a higher level of narcissism than normal. You are ripe for bullying, you egg people on because your so out of touch, vocal and stubborn. You are very unlikeable. Please evaluate your self. I mean your real self, not your shaman. And if you’re a troll, congrats, best I have ever seen. | ||
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06-23-2023, 02:37 PM
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Gloomlord, here is the flaw with your argument in the shortest summation, ignoring the irrelevant strawmen and insults:
1. You say the DPS from a Mage is important for this group. 2. At the same time, you posit that the extra DPS from a Shaman root/rotting should never be considered. These two ideas are at odds with each other. If DPS is important to your group, there is no reason to willingly give up DPS if you care about efficiency. You have a personal preference on play style, which is consistent DPS that is achievable with a single button click. There is nothing wrong with that personal preference. The problem is you are forcing that playstyle onto everyone else to try and win the argument. It's basically an ad populum fallacy. Easy DPS does not automatically equal superior kill speeds in a group. If you want to make that claim, you need to bring evidence other than your personal preference. Quote:
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06-23-2023, 03:52 PM
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Wow I just found this thread and this is a gem outside of RnF, I am surprised no one moved it.
As for my takes on it, unfortunately for all you guys trying to look good for arguing with DSM; you guys were clearly trolling him, and I don't know how some of you guys think you are angels for opposing him and losing faith in humanity because of his persistence. It's a bit much. And clearly, I think DSM should have given up on page 30 rather than on page 360. I think he has a bit of a problem for going on so long, but so do all of you clearly and you should stop pretending to be white knights like you have the high ground or something. You are not heroes of justice for opposing his (possibly) wrong views about Everquest. The projection that DSM is a autistic stubborn asshole troll but not me is baffling considering many of you also argued for a good 40-50 pages of this thread too. If you all notice, this thread only ended when DSM stopped posting. That should be a sign that you guys were all egging him on, not the other way around. DSM's character flaw is just that doesn't know how to let others get the last word in. (I think he's learning) And he has different opinions about things. He seems cool and I would take him in my xp group any day. You guys say he's a complete moron but I haven't seen any evidence he doesn't play his shaman well. As for the content of the thread, well I've never been in a 4 person group for optimization purposes so I think it's a dumb thing to debate. I would probably pick enc/enc/cleric/mage. Sorry DSM, they convinced me, I think you're wrong. I support your crusade and I have never been in a enc/enc/cleric/shm group in my life so i have no idea. I don't agree with everything he posts but he has his points and I enjoy reading them, and clearly most of the forum does here too because everytime he posts things they balloon to 50 pages. Y'all should be really grateful to him. You all flame him and troll him but he's still here. Most people would have left long ago. I'm so glad to contribute to this amazing thread! BDA to Phinigel! | ||
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06-23-2023, 03:53 PM
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06-23-2023, 07:36 PM
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The "man" will do anything to "win" an argument by moving the goalposts, calling for evidence in the most ludicrous ways, and ignoring logic. If you've played this game long enough, you'll realise the sheer absurdity of having a shaman root rotting next to a charm group. And why is he pushing for this argument so badly? To prove that shamans can attain a higher DPS than mages, with him purposefully ignoring how impractical and pointless it is in a realistic scenario. He deserves everything he gets. Don't you dare deny it and say that we're "trolling". | |||
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06-24-2023, 12:50 AM
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I agree that I do not want my shaman root rotting my charm pet group or a DPS shaman in my group. The fact that DSM seems extremely determined to win the argument at all costs really should have nothing to do you, you seem to take it personally as an affront to you. The correct way to deal with crazy people who won't shut up and are wrong is to leave them alone and not engage, and then eventually they will stop. Even DSM would get bored after 5 or 6 consecutive posts. I think most people learned this when they were in high school. You don't fight crazy by shouting in their ear until they give up. Are you going to start arguing with the local homeless man near you? Have the thousands of people argue with flat earth truthers gotten anywhere? No, what you do is ignore crazy and just let them fizzle out. If DSM is so batshit crazy and wrong, like literally who cares? Is it boo-hoo poor accidental reader of the forums is going to read bad advice. Good. From what I can tell classic is all about people telling people bad advice like warriors that their best stat is intelligence or whatever. And I think people are pretty good at knowing who is right or wrong in an internet argument. DSM is pushing his argument so badly because that's the way he is and he thinks he's right. The amount of mad displayed from you by DSM moving goal posts or whatever is laughable. I agree he deserves everything he gets because he's replying back endlessly, the unfortunate thing is that he seems to be coping much better and has a lot more stamina than you, while you are so butthurt it's showing on my screen. He is definitely trolling back and maybe you should stop engaging once it gets to "sorry you don't got x", and "glad you admit you're wrong." I don't know why you think everyone has to be right all the time on the internet. Maybe you could let someone be wrong on the internet? When you get mad and start insulting him and calling him autistic, you really aren't winning, no matter how much more DPS mages do than Shamans. I stand by my point that everyone should be grateful that DSM was willing argue for 370 pages. it was hilarious and if you didn't think it was hilarious why did you keep posting really? Did you really think you were gonna get him to stop? After 200 pages he was gonna give up on page 250? You seem like your whole goal is to get him to stop posting and admit that you're right and that he is autistic and that he owes you for showing him the truth, like this is some kind of communist struggle session. I didn't know it's wrong that people have different opinions. Is it evil to insist 2+2=3? | |||
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