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[ScaringChildren]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Republicans love security theater.

We're responsible for providing security while the rest of you dress in furry outfits and whine about how you're oppressed.

[nostalgiaquest]

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Security is always about adapting.

The fact that hackers can find ways into your data doesn't stop you from using anti-virus, does it?

I mean, why even use anti-virus software when a hacker will just find a way in?

See how stupid and ignorant you sound?

Weak analogy. Definition: Many arguments rely on an analogy between two or more objects, ideas, or situations. If the two things that are being compared aren't really alike in the relevant respects, the analogy is a weak one, and the argument that relies on it commits the fallacy of weak analogy.

Because walls... sorry, barriers... and anti-virus software are the exact same thing. And hackers have the same monetary resources as Mexican drug cartels. Haha.

If i came out and said hey we have these hackers out there and we're going to spend the next 10 years developing the perfect anti-virus software, and this is exactly how its going to work when it's complete, don't you think the hackers would be ready for it?

Anti virus software doesn't cost 20 billion dollars from the US taxpayer (not Mexico) to create.

If/when the wall is complete, and drugs still flow across the border (because they will), how will the wall be adapted?

When it is clearly documented that a majority of drugs come across the border at ports of entry, how will the wall be adapted?

When it is clearly documented that a majority of illegal immigrants come into the USA through ports of entry and simply overstay their visas, how will the wall be adapted?

When smugglers simply tunnel under the wall, as has been done in the past, how will the wall be adapted?

Isn't it the democrats saying that they want to pursue new and innovative border security ideas? Drones, sensors, increased patrols, immigration reform etc? Wouldn't you call those ideas adapting? A wall is an archaic solution to a modern problem. A frivolous campaign promise that Trump has now backed himself into a corner with.

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're responsible for providing security while the rest of you dress in furry outfits and whine about how you're oppressed.

Hahahahaha. My hero. Posting like you're doing jack shit for the nation's security.

Also why won't you answer my question about how Mexico will pay for the wall? If you can show me, with numbers, that Mexico will pay, either directly or indirectly, for this wall then i'll happily stop asking.

[ScaringChildren]

Originally Posted by nostalgiaquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Weak analogy. Definition: Many arguments rely on an analogy between two or more objects, ideas, or situations. If the two things that are being compared aren't really alike in the relevant respects, the analogy is a weak one, and the argument that relies on it commits the fallacy of weak analogy.

Excellent, "weak analogy" used 3 times within a couple of sentences. It's a great analogy and can be applied to any form of security. Security is security, dumb motherfucker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by nostalgiaquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because walls... sorry, barriers... and anti-virus software are the exact same thing. And hackers have the same monetary resources as Mexican drug cartels. Haha.

Yes, we're talking about security. So in that regard, they are the same thing.

Also, hackers cost the US alone $600 billion each year.

The Mexican cartel only makes about $18 billion each year.

Originally Posted by nostalgiaquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If i came out and said hey we have these hackers out there and we're going to spend the next 10 years developing the perfect anti-virus software, and this is exactly how its going to work when it's complete, don't you think the hackers would be ready for it?

The wall is a firewall on a computer. It keeps most people out. When hackers/cartels adapt, then you also update. This is pretty simple stuff, man.

Originally Posted by nostalgiaquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anti virus software doesn't cost 20 billion dollars from the US taxpayer (not Mexico) to create.

You're correct. It's not 20 billion. It actually costs them MORE annually.

Originally Posted by nostalgiaquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If/when the wall is complete, and drugs still flow across the border (because they will), how will the wall be adapted?

Anti-tunneling equipment, motion sensors, etc. If someone tampers with the wall, repair it.

Originally Posted by nostalgiaquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When it is clearly documented that a majority of drugs come across the border at ports of entry, how will the wall be adapted

That data comes from seizures, which means it doesn't account for the drugs that are getting through in other areas. You can't count what you don't see. Pretty simple stuff.

Originally Posted by nostalgiaquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When it is clearly documented that a majority of illegal immigrants come into the USA through ports of entry and simply overstay their visas, how will the wall be adapted?

Same answer. The count of the people who cross the border are unknown. You really don't use your head, man.

Originally Posted by nostalgiaquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When smugglers simply tunnel under the wall, as has been done in the past, how will the wall be adapted?

They have technology for this issue. We've just never had a wall to test it on. Simple stuff, my dude.

Originally Posted by nostalgiaquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Isn't it the democrats saying that they want to pursue new and innovative border security ideas? Drones, sensors, increased patrols, immigration reform etc? Wouldn't you call those ideas adapting? A wall is an archaic solution to a modern problem. A frivolous campaign promise that Trump has now backed himself into a corner with.

Let's get that AND the wall. The wall keeps out the majority of border crossings. What do you think is harder? Crossing a border without a wall or with a wall?

Walls still work. Our cellphones can't launch us over a 30 ft barrier. It's why we have fencing and why rich Democrats have walls around their yards.

[Wonkie]

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[ScaringChildren]

Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Well, when someone gish gallops, you have to smack em down.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, when someone gish gallops, you have to smack em down.

yeah that's what you're doing.

and they say one liners are bad.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes.

How could it not?

Can Mexicans walk through walls?

You are so ignorant. Most of the drugs are smuggled through points of entry, not open border. And even if they somehow couldn't get past the wall, they'd take a fucking boat. Italy lies across hundreds of miles of Mediterranean from North Africa, and that doesn't stop hundreds of thousands of Somalis and other 3rd world immigrants from invading on barrel barge.

Like I said, neither Trump nor the Republicans want to act decisively on immigration. If they did, they'd crack down on employers who hire illegals in addition to securing the border. Republican and Democratic legislators answer to big business, not you. You're just the useful idiot who gobbles up wall rhetoric to put them in office.

[ScaringChildren]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are so ignorant. Most of the drugs are smuggled through points of entry, not open border. And even if they somehow couldn't get past the wall, they'd take a fucking boat. Italy lies across hundreds of miles of Mediterranean from North Africa, and that doesn't stop hundreds of thousands of Somalis and other 3rd world immigrants from invading on barrel barge.

Like I said, neither Trump nor the Republicans want to act decisively on immigration. If they did, they'd crack down on employers who hire illegals in addition to securing the border. Republican and Democratic legislators answer to big business, not you. You're just the useful idiot who gobbles up wall rhetoric to put them in office.

No, the majority of what they SEIZE is at ports of entry. The other data points are totally unknown.

I suppose they could take a boat, but honestly that's the more dangerous route for them and Coast Guard will most likely intercept them.

You're the one falling for false information, so I'm not the ignorant one here.

There's plenty of studies and data on modern walls in countries like Hungary and Israel, and they both succeed amazingly at what they're supposed to do. Sometimes cutting unlawful crossing by 90%.

But you don't want to read that data because it would hurt your perceptions [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[ScaringChildren]

Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah that's what you're doing.

and they say one liners are bad.

Do you even know what 'gish galloping' is?

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you even know what 'gish galloping' is?

yes. it's writing a bunch of garbage in an annoying format that i don't read.

you did it great!