<ST> cucking out of Green99 due to Kingdom taking their merbz

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, this is easy to explain. Real life and Everquest are different because you can opt in to Everquest, but you cannot opt in to real life. When you play Everquest, you agree to play by the game mechanics and rules created by the developers. If you don't like it, play another game.

In real life you can't do that. You are forced to play real life. You have to deal with whatever situation you have in life, which means you do need to worry about things like reputation, intent, etc.

People play video games because they can escape reality, not because they want to do the same exact thing they were doing in real life.

I say it's a dick move, you say it isn't. It's my opinion vs yours. The rules don't matter. I can still have an opinion despite the fact that I opted into this game.

Your opinion is that people play video games because they can escape reality, but I also feel that a lot of people are playing video games because they are fulfilling what they are not getting in reality(friends/improvements/etc.). I can keep going with this.

I'm not sure why you're so obsessed with presenting a "factual" argument in controversial matters that do not necessarily have a right/wrong answer, it's not helping anyone.

[MrSparkle001]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Player Choice

Like waking Sleeper

I think his argument is that the player choice is simply playing on the server. Nothing that players do on the server matters because they chose to play on the server and can choose to not play if they don't like it.

It's a flawed argument because it's ignoring the intent behind player actions.

So how does he consider good intentions? Someone gifted me a set of banded and someone else a decent weapon for cheap to get me started on Green. Intentions don't matter in that case because we three chose to play on the server? Lol no, obviously not. Those are purely good, friendly intentions from players that aren't dicks. Intentions matter even after you choose to play on the server with it's rules.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well I can say most people probably don't have fantasies about running people over and shooting up neighborhoods and use games like GTA to fulfill them.

But they're also not doing it to other players and negatively impacting their own gaming experiences. GTA is about shooting up the AI. There isn't someone on the other end that has to deal with the fact you just ran him over.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I say it's a dick move, you say it isn't. It's my opinion vs yours. The rules don't matter. I can still have an opinion despite the fact that I opted into this game.

Your opinion is that people play video games because they can escape reality, but I also feel that a lot of people are playing video games because they are fulfilling what they are not getting in reality(friends/improvements/etc.). I can keep going with this.

I'm not sure why you're so obsessed with presenting a "factual" argument in controversial matters that do not necessarily have a right/wrong answer, it's not helping anyone.

It isn't simply opinion vs. opinion. You are trying to frame it this way to sweep facts under the rug. It is a fact that P99 has limited time loot, which you agree to every time you log in to P99. It is your opinion Seal Team are dicks, but there is no evidence to back it up. They agreed to play the same game you did. They played by the rules, and didn't cheat.

If your true intent was to play a game where you make friends, you have picked a very poor choice with P99 lol. It is a non-instanced MMO where scarcity is a primary mechanic. People are going to go the extra mile to get items that are scarce. This means there will be rivalry.

I am being honest, if you want a game where you get all the loot you want, and everybody is super friendly, play Final Fantasy 14. It is a great game. I am loving it myself. The simple problem is you are trying to force P99 to change because of your opinion, which is selfish. I am simply trying to keep it the same, because people like the way P99 is now. if they didn't, people wouldn't play lol.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think his argument is that the player choice is simply playing on the server. Nothing that players do on the server matters because they chose to play on the server and can choose to not play if they don't like it.

It's a flawed argument because it's ignoring the intent behind player actions.

So how does he consider good intentions? Someone gifted me a set of banded and someone else a decent weapon for cheap to get me started on Green. Intentions don't matter in that case because we three chose to play on the server? Lol no, obviously not. Those are purely good, friendly intentions from players that aren't dicks. Intentions matter even after you choose to play on the server with it's rules.

Player reputation is earned through interaction with other players

Not gameplay mechanics

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It isn't simply opinion vs. opinion. You are trying to frame it this way to sweep facts under the rug. It is a fact that P99 has limited time loot, which you agree to every time you log in to P99. It is your opinion Seal Team are dicks, but there is no evidence to back it up. They agreed to play the same game you did. They played by the rules, and didn't cheat.

If your true intent was to play a game where you make friends, you have picked a very poor choice with P99 lol. It is a non-instanced MMO where scarcity is a primary mechanic. People are going to go the extra mile to get items that are scarce. This means there will be rivalry.

I am being honest, if you want a game where you get all the loot you want, and everybody is super friendly, play Final Fantasy 14. It is a great game. I am loving it myself. The simple problem is you are trying to force P99 to change because of your opinion, which is selfish. I am simply trying to keep it the same, because people like the way P99 is now. if they didn't, people wouldn't play lol.

Again, it is your opinion that Seal Team are not dicks. And you have provided no evidence that they aren't dicks. You can do something by the rules, not cheat, and still be a dick, despite whether it's in game or IRL.

And I would agree that people who are using this game to substitute real life goals that is not healthy, but that's also a major reason this game is so addicting, is that there are so many real life like mechanics on top of the code.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think his argument is that the player choice is simply playing on the server. Nothing that players do on the server matters because they chose to play on the server and can choose to not play if they don't like it.

It's a flawed argument because it's ignoring the intent behind player actions.

So how does he consider good intentions? Someone gifted me a set of banded and someone else a decent weapon for cheap to get me started on Green. Intentions don't matter in that case because we three chose to play on the server? Lol no, obviously not. Those are purely good, friendly intentions from players that aren't dicks. Intentions matter even after you choose to play on the server with it's rules.

That is not my argument. What I am saying is it is your choice to play P99. This means that you have agreed to play a game that has limited loot as a mechanic. You can't get mad about that specific game mechanic, because you have agreed to play with it. If you don't like that mechanic, you are free to play another game.

Intent doesn't matter if players are playing by the rules. Everybody has agreed to these rules. Intent only matters if players do not play by the rules, such as hacking, breaking the PnP, etc.

If you are talking about developing relationships with players, that is NOT a requirement of P99. You cannot force players to build a relationship with you, regardless of whether or not you think they are a dick. Just because they do not want to play the game the same way you do, that doesn't make them a dick.

Finally, some people do get pissed off if you try to give them free gear. They think you are looking down on them. Even if intent is good, that doesn't always mean the result is good. It's the same thing with evil intent. Even if the intent is evil, that doesn't mean the result is evil. You are falsely assuming waking the Sleeper is evil, which is why you are trying to glean intent. It is not evil, you have agreed to it by playing the game.

[Reiwa]

If you go see a movie and the movie is bad, you have no right to complain that it's bad because you went there voluntarily.

I am very intelligent.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you go see a movie and the movie is bad, you have no right to complain that it's bad because you went there voluntarily.

I am very intelligent.

This is a bad analogy. A better analogy is people going to a movie and complaining the movie has sound. In their opinion, the movie shouldn't have sound, and everybody should be forced to watch silent movies.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a bad analogy. A better analogy is people going to a movie and complaining the movie has sound. In their opinion, the movie shouldn't have sound, and everybody should be forced to watch silent movies.

I don't follow.