most underpowered class in game?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah, DPS is king. Churning through as many MOBs as possible to get exp or item drops or faction is the name of the game. The only utility that's needed most of the time is Root.



What does Enchanter resist debuff have to do with anything? The Shaman/Mage debuff stacks with the Enchanter's and is exactly wanted by Enchanters for less Charm breaks. And no the Shaman debuff is not better. Mages get the exact same line, aside from the unresistible one at 60, which is used for raid targets, not for charming.

Nah. If DPS was king Mages and Rogues could solo better than other classes. They cant. If it was king groups would gear screen. They don't.

Thats what i was talkng about for debuffs. The most important one (the unresistable one) is worse. Most groups do not get Mages for debuffing anyway.

If you think Malo/Mala is only useful in raids, you are sorely mistaken.

Sorry, but Mages aren't very good in this timeline.

[Zuranthium]

Soloing is different than grouping, especially for Rogues, what a retarded argument. Mages can definitely solo a lot of content better than many classes anyway, you've made yet another fallacious statement.

Some groups DO gear screen. If they don't it's because of etiquette or not caring that much. Either way, this game is about killing as much shit as possible. To do that you need DPS. A group with low(er) DPS is inherently a group that won't be able to achieve as much as a higher DPS group in most situations, assuming the higher DPS group has the basic amount of survivability needed to do their DPS and the basic ability to get to the area they want to hunt in.

And no, the "most important" resist debuff for Charming is not the unresistible one. It's the one that gives the highest debuff, which Mages have.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah, DPS is king. Churning through as many MOBs as possible to get exp or item drops or faction is the name of the game. The only utility that's needed most of the time is Root.

Sorry but you're dead wrong on this.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry but you're dead wrong on this.

I'm not, but you should actually write argumentation and examples, otherwise you're saying nothing.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not, but you should actually write argumentation and examples, otherwise you're saying nothing.

It's really simple, and I've already said it twice. If DPS was king, you would see gear checks to get into groups. Anybody with noob gear would never be able to get an XP group, because their DPS would be too low. I have never seen a gear check on P99 for any group. The only requirements for gear typically come from raiding guilds, for resistances and clickies, not DPS gear.

The honest truth is the vast majority of content in P99 doesn't have a lot of HP. Just having group members generally makes your group a charnel house.

DPS matters more in raids, but that is because mobs have a TON of HP, and the stakes are higher because you could lose the mob to an opposing guild. But we are not talking about raiding, since everybody knows Mages are useful in raids. We are talking about the rest of the game.

Unless you are a hardcore raider, most of your time spent in game is going to be solo/group content, where DPS doesn't really matter that much.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And no, the "most important" resist debuff for Charming is not the unresistible one. It's the one that gives the highest debuff, which Mages have.

You clearly don't play this game a lot if you think that. The normal debuff line (spells like Malosini) have the same chance of being resisted as any other normal spell. If you can consistently land Malosini, you don't need a debuff in the first place. Your other spells will land just as often, unless the mob specifically has a high resistance to Fire/Cold/Poison. From my experience as a Shaman, I didn't need to cast Malo that often on most normal mobs, because most normal mobs just don't have high resistances.

Malo/Mala is the most important debuff spell because it is how you land something like Malosini on higher resistance mobs. These kinds of mobs are not restricted to raid mobs either.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's really simple, and I've already said it twice. If DPS was king, you would see gear checks to get into groups. Anybody with noob gear would never be able to get an XP group, because their DPS would be too low. I have never seen a gear check on P99 for any group. The only requirements for gear typically come from raiding guilds, for resistances and clickies, not DPS gear.

The honest truth is the vast majority of content in P99 doesn't have a lot of HP. Just having group members generally makes your group a charnel house.

DPS matters more in raids, but that is because mobs have a TON of HP, and the stakes are higher because you could lose the mob to an opposing guild. But we are not talking about raiding, since everybody knows Mages are useful in raids. We are talking about the rest of the game.

Unless you are a hardcore raider, most of your time spent in game is going to be solo/group content, where DPS doesn't really matter that much.

This is the dumbest take lol

[Jibartik]

Did we figure it out yet? Which one is it?

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The normal debuff line (spells like Malosini) have the same chance of being resisted as any other normal spell. If you can consistently land Malosini, you don't need a debuff in the first place.

Making charm break far less often, pretty much never breaking at all (before the duration ends on its own) when you're stacking the max resist debuff, is definitely a very helpful thing.

Your opinions in this thread have all been moronic. Very Ogre.

[cd288]

Try doing Velks and Seb with low DPS and see how well your group does. Definitely going to be a highly efficient EXP group!