student loans are a hit!

[Origen]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you can't charter school your kids, why can you trans them?

I am not opposed to charter schools or the decision to trans your kid.

I am opposed to defunding public schools, though, and I recognize why charter school discourse enters that chat. If they existed independently of public schools I would be indifferent. I do not think a religious one should replace a public school, but I know that's precisely what the intention is in a lot of places.

America has dealt with this issue before and we will again. It's a more diverse place than it was the last time, so I have faith that the people will remain largely secular despite the efforts of Christian fascists.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it's ok for them to do so, why must they pay double to do so? (Read: sin tax)

Because that's how society works. We all pay for education, even those of us who have no children, because all of society benefits from people being educated. They aren't paying double. They want the for profit charter schools to get public tax dollars as well to provide a religious education. The part I'm complaining about is they don't want to keep a healthy public alternative

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again my wife is a teacher and it is more complicated than that. When it comes to behavior, it's mostly God awful terrible parents who do absolutely nothing to guide their child's behavioral development, and then when their little animal runs into problems with the school, the parents lash out at the staff rather than look inward. And districts tend to placate parents.

It's like an extension of the NIMBYism that is destroying blue states, except it's "Not My BabY!", a culture of complete narcissism, neglect, and lack of self awareness. In Washington, my wife will be part of a union, be paid twice as much, and work primarily with the children of the wealthy. So I'm eager to see how that pans out culturally and if parents are still shit.

I agree on the shit parent contributing

But from what I’ve seen in AZ public schools, the material is more than adequate to get the kids into college. Bantering about classes is something I do with every kid I talk to at school pretty much

What’s make or break isn’t the material, it’s the kid giving a shit or not. For kids that are struggling, public schools offer study hour and tutoring. Once again though, what matters is whether the kid cares about their education or not (and not for the same reason as a parent might. Sometimes the reason is to not disappoint their parent or to get some reward)

[Origen]

Source: https://www.leftvoice.org/public-edu...t-perspective/

1. Schools are central institutions of modern capitalist society. We must reject the idea that they are eternal and immutable and that the “natural” way of learning takes place within the four walls of a classroom with fixed times, grade levels, scores, etc. Schools are products of history. They appear in a specific moment and are therefore not natural or eternal. The learning institutions of today are destined to disappear or change along with the society that gave gave rise to them.

2. Public education is an important mechanism in creating social consensus because it is based on the idea that school offers “equal opportunities” for all citizens. This idea of education is a strong legitimating force of capitalism. The idea of equal opportunity under the capitalist system is, in itself, a fallacy.

3. Teaching has a third role: the socializing role. It is a mechanism used to train students to internalize the values, ideas, and attitudes of the dominant society. Educational institutions are especially efficient in legitimating the current social order because schools play a role not only in training workers in the strict sense of giving them skills to be part of the productive labor force but also in the naturalization of the social relations of production.

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because that's how society works. We all pay for education, even those of us who have no children, because all of society benefits from people being educated. They aren't paying double. They want the for profit charter schools to get public tax dollars as well to provide a religious education. The part I'm complaining about is they don't want to keep a healthy public alternative

If they can afford private school, they're probably paying those taxes. "Double" becomes "defund" somehow.

[unsunghero]

Public schools have academic counselors who’s job it is to sit down with kids that are struggling academically and be a mini-case manager for them with their teachers

They can consolidate work into only the most important assignments, see about make-up work, extra credit opportunities, or even switch a kid’s classes if necessary

There’s more than enough support for kids at public schools in my state. Like I said, the kids I see fail are the ones who just don’t give a shit about school, possibly because of a shit parent, not always though. But regardless, the parent can’t turn around the kid’s attitude before the kid can legally drop out, so they do

[Botten]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they can afford private school, they're probably paying those taxes. "Double" becomes "defund" somehow.

Unless they are cheating as Republicans often do.

Say you want to donate to the Republican Party as a Republican politician to reduce your Taxes. Well you can’t donate to political parties to reduce your taxes.

Instead you donate to a Christian private school large amounts of funds allows you to get your kid in and a means to write it off your taxes.

The private school then launders … I mean donates that back into the Republican Party.

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless they are cheating as Republicans often do.

Say you want to donate to the Republican Party as a Republican politician to reduce your Taxes. Well you can’t donate to political parties to reduce your taxes.

Instead you donate to a Christian private school large amounts of funds allows you to get your kid in and a means to write it off your taxes.

The private school then launders … I mean donates that back into the Republican Party.

How is it cheating if the government gives me a tax break? 🤪

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless they are cheating as Republicans often do.

so democrats never cheat?

and you expect people to take you seriously?

[Elizondo]

Typical Betas with no T supporting child mutilation and unwilling to defend child innocence