Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, because mob HP/AC/Resists do not change when you group and when you solo.

I really don't know where you think the difference is here lol. You have yet to properly explain it. You just keep claiming "the difference is out there".

If your group members are causing you to lose DPS, such as your group keeps getting your pet killed, that is not a valid indicator of class DPS.

The data simply only needs to be an indicator of the actual performance / DPS performed in the relevant conext/scenario/environment in order to be a valid indicator of the actual performance / the actual amount of DPS they performed in the relevant context/scenario/environment.

How much DPS a class can do with other players - and their effect ("skew") on the DPS ("data") - removed from the equation (such as parses/data obtained Solo - not in a group), would simply be irrelevant to this discussion - which, again - is about the "Best 4 person all caster/priest group" - and therefore simply - specifically, particularly - not about how much DPS a player or class can do with other players - and their effect ("skew") on the DPS ("data") - removed from the equation. This really isn't hard hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You tried to claim:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Assuming your group plays correctly, you will DPS the same way every time, the same as if you were solo.

and then you simply contradicted yourself by subsequently posting:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation NOT because of what the class can do, but because of what other players are doing.

Your post claiming Troxx's data was way different from Allishia's:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also Allishia's numbers were way different from yours

Your post to Allishia when they provided their initial data:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for the data! I'll get the logs from you a bit later today. Just looking at it here, the numbers are the same as Troxx's data.

As I have repeatedly stated to you - it is not always clear to other posters what particular position/claim/"arguent" you are defending at any given time due to how often you have moved the goalposts & edited your posts. This really isn't hard hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which belief do you currently hold/"argue" hehe? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Please elaborate for the sake of civil discussion.

[Gloomlord]

I mean, we've already explained it. Time and time again. You're outright lying here.

You're just a troll, DSM.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, we've already explained it. Time and time again. You're outright lying here.

You're just a troll, DSM.

No you haven't. Not once. You just keep saying you have. Please show me your explanation. It should be trivial to find it.

[Gloomlord]

No, I refuse to play these games.

If it's trivial for me to find it, then it should be equally trivial for you also to find it.

You think over the course of 300+ pages we haven't refuted every single argument you mustered already?

You think your retort of using a "pocket cleric" wasn't an admission of your defeat?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I refuse to play these games.

If it's trivial for me to find it, then it should be equally trivial for you also to find it.

You think over the course of 300+ pages we haven't refuted every single argument you mustered already?

You think your retort of using a "pocket cleric" wasn't an admission of your defeat?

Yup, classic trolling. You never need to provide any evidence for your claims. It is the responsibility of everybody else who you are trolling.

[Gloomlord]

Like how you refuse to provide evidence for group DPS as a shaman?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like how you refuse to provide evidence for group DPS as a shaman?

I didn't refuse. I provided two videos with log data that can be referenced, and plenty of basic math calculations that are using the correct data from the game.

My math calculations are also backed up by the videos, you can see me casting the same spells that are in the math calculations, and it matches.

You haven't provided anything other than rage posts.

[Gloomlord]

But they're not in a group, hence they are irrelevant. How many times are we going to have to repeat this fact to you?

You don't see what is, DSM -- you see only what you want to see.

Somebody want to take over for me? I don't see what else I can say with an obvious troll.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No you haven't. Not once. You just keep saying you have. Please show me your explanation. It should be trivial to find it.

The above Quote is simply an example of you sharing your opinion that it has not already been explained to you why your data is irrelevant, which is - objectively - false.

You tried to claim:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Assuming your group plays correctly, you will DPS the same way every time, the same as if you were solo.

and then you simply contradicted yourself by subsequently posting:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation NOT because of what the class can do, but because of what other players are doing.

Your post claiming Troxx's data was way different from Allishia's:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also Allishia's numbers were way different from yours

Your post to Allishia when they provided their initial data:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for the data! I'll get the logs from you a bit later today. Just looking at it here, the numbers are the same as Troxx's data.

As I have repeatedly stated to you - it is not always clear to other posters what particular position/claim/"arguent" you are defending at any given time due to how often you have moved the goalposts & edited your posts. This really isn't hard hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which belief do you currently hold/"argue" hehe? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Please elaborate for the sake of civil discussion.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But they're not in a group, hence they are irrelevant. How many times are we going to have to repeat this fact to you?

You don't see what is, DSM -- you see only what you want to see.

The fact that it isn't from a group is the only thing that is irrelevant. Mob AC/HP/Resists don't change when you group vs. solo.

You need to prove your claim that this difference invalidates my data.