Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[timhutton]

Tasslehoff is literally one of the worst players that could have created this thread/brought this issue up.

Reading his posts is likely to give me an aneurysm at some point in the very near future, and the dude is practically a non-TMO version of Alarti with serious grammar issues, mixed with the posting fury/dedication of Harrison.

That said, some of his points are valid, and the fact that it was this particular individual that brought up/created the thread should not detract too much from the message.

Ignore the messenger.

[SCB]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

im white who actualy brings ethnicity skin colour to the debate? you did . thanks to prove me point .

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i will if u cannot understand it, well thats ur problem . im used to this server racism u just another of the prime examples of being a forum nazy .

Damn you're dumb.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol

So you now refuse to lower your standards?

Just because you didn't have the means to do the training yourself way back when doesn't mean you weren't involved. I remember seeing you up on the old ledge skinning and sowing people, harmonying mobs. So it was ok to lower yourself when you had a realistic chance at succeeding, but now that you don't, you won't lower yourself?

lol

To me, training is boring and being able to do so is not a sign of skill. If the server rules allow for training then yeah, obviously any guild wanting to kill there is going to have to train in order to get kills. This thread wasn't about that, its about how we can discuss possibly changing the training rules in VP to make raiding more fun on Project1999. Apparently you're incapable of looking past our differences from the past to discuss something that could possibly provide a healthier raiding scene here.

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tassle is mad that his hide got nerfed and he can't watch us slay dragons

I was in VP the other night gave sentenza a /wave and kept it moving. Even saw Nexona up on the way out. Theres no reason we can't have a more civil raiding scene.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure it would be nice to get rid of it in VP for true competition without some weird version of PVP via training....

I think the training is more a competition than you plopping forty people on PD's spawn for a week straight. I know you won't even try to deny that this is exactly what you would do, because we all know it is.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again for me it isn't about just VP. Sure it would be nice to get rid of it in VP for true competition without some weird version of PVP via training.... It is about future zones on the server too...Not many people on this server want to endure griefing because it is a culture that was started what 2 years ago ? Let go of the grudges and make the competition fun without burning people out of the game. You won't lose your position because training ends. You still have the tools to mobilize and win races.

vianna honestly it been 3 years
if u dont mind me little english i could tell you actualy there was back in the day a rotation wich worked for TR and TMO for long time for vp.

TMO did honour the rotation BUt TR backstabbed us and broke the deal 3 dragons of vp per week for each guild.

TR broke off and reformed IB in secret and while tmo was in sky doing sisters they actualy attemp to kill 2 of the dragons of the tmo rotation .
so we backfired with trains to the betrayal of ib .
since them every guild in vp has been dealing with Trains over tmo or trying to drive tmo or just plain and simple fuck of tmo when zone upon vp.



FE tried hard in train wars at first they where succesfull lots of delays and their only dragon kill in vp happened and that made them push even harder in train wars .

but time passed and they never got another dragon so they train war was pointless and with time they just give up with the random 3 or 4 people zoning trying to train but with new invis emchanics they die quite fast

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the training is more a competition than you plopping forty people on PD's spawn for a week straight. I know you won't even try to deny that this is exactly what you would do, because we all know it is.

Camping chars out at spawns is what the raiding mechanics are Jeremy. I doubt a whole raid would sit there online for a week. Again it comes with a risk vs .reward. What targets are priority for you and which do you want to try to get. Making VP a non training zone right now will force all guilds to change their priorities in targets which opens up the chances of smaller guilds getting targets that can't be as strongly watched because of the fail safe of training in VP. It helps a larger guild lock down more of the content when true competition with the playing field balanced wouldn't allow for that. If you have a problem racing for PD the same way you race for trak for once instead of training because it helps you keep VP uncontested...I understand.

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Camping chars out at spawns is what the raiding mechanics are Jeremy. I doubt a whole raid would sit there online for a week. Again it comes with a risk vs .reward. What targets are priority for you and which do you want to try to get. Making VP a non training zone right now will force all guilds to change their priorities in targets which opens up the chances of smaller guilds getting targets that can't be as strongly watched because of the fail safe of training in VP. It helps a larger guild lock down more of the content when true competition with the playing field balanced wouldn't allow for that. If you have a problem racing for PD the same way you race for trak for once instead of training because it helps you keep VP uncontested...I understand.

FE sits on VS every minute he is window.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

vianna honestly it been 3 years
if u dont mind me little english i could tell you actualy there was back in the day a rotation wich worked for TR and TMO for long time for vp.

TMO did honour the rotation BUt TR backstabbed us and broke the deal 3 dragons of vp per week for each guild.

TR broke off and reformed IB in secret and while tmo was in sky doing sisters they actualy attemp to kill 2 of the dragons of the tmo rotation .
so we backfired with trains to the betrayal of ib .
since them every guild in vp has been dealing with Trains over tmo or trying to drive tmo or just plain and simple fuck of tmo when zone upon vp.



FE tried hard in train wars at first they where succesfull lots of delays and their only dragon kill in vp happened and that made them push even harder in train wars .

but time passed and they never got another dragon so they train war was pointless and with time they just give up with the random 3 or 4 people zoning trying to train but with new invis emchanics they die quite fast

Yeah it is old grudges that can be resolved to make this a healthier place to raid for everyone. No one is asking for hand outs. TMO is still the largest guild and still can mobilize fast for the targets they want. They won't stop being the top guild simply because training stops in VP. It will however balance the playing field across the board more.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FE sits on VS every minute he is window.

One group of players XPing yes. We could keep people farming juggs in seb if we chose too but don't. I think we both know VP is slightly different than KC and Seb =p

[quido]

I understand this is your last resort as a guild for some VP loot. It's understandable. I understand.

Maybe you should team up with IB.